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    Senior Member Ace High's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidd View Post
    Ok, ok. I get it. I'm sorry. I'm wrong about MACC. MACC has always been fair, just and independent.

    I've already said thanks for the info of the case 2005 and before (showing that MACC did investigate ruling party before the cow incident). I didn't argue about that. I didn't say I distrust your evidence. I just want to clarify that the 'this case' in 'It's only after this case that MACC started investigating both sides.' means the cow case not the Teoh Beng Hock's case which happen later (which you keep referring to in that post while questioning me). I was just clarifying a minute detail.
    Sorry if I seem to be a bit overbearing. It's a habit i pick up after years of arguing in online political forums

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace High View Post
    Nah, I've disagreed quite a lot UMNO/BN's decisions before and will continue to do so in matters that I felt wrong. I have supported some PR's decisions in matters I think is right. I despise quite a number of BN leaders and PR leaders.

    I'm someone who read Harakah and Suara Keadilan while also reading Utusan Malaysia and Berita Harian.

    I've been following this case with attention, listening to both side's arguments before making my own opinion.
    Oh, I've disagreed with a lot of Opposition decisions and statements too, and will continue to do so in matter that I feel are wrong too. I also despise several Opposition leaders.

    I'm also someone who reads the Star and New Straits Times, although I've never read any of the four papers you mention.

    Unlike you, though, I've not been following this case much at all. It's a case of "let me know if anything juicy happens and anyone high up gets implicated/charged".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Liew View Post
    Oh, I've disagreed with a lot of Opposition decisions and statements too, and will continue to do so in matter that I feel are wrong too. I also despise several Opposition leaders.

    I'm also someone who reads the Star and New Straits Times, although I've never read any of the four papers you mention.

    Unlike you, though, I've not been following this case much at all. It's a case of "let me know if anything juicy happens and anyone high up gets implicated/charged".
    I occassionally read the Star, NST and the Sun. Harakah is PAS's official newspaper and Suara Keadilan is PKR's official newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace High View Post
    Sorry if I seem to be a bit overbearing. It's a habit i pick up after years of arguing in online political forums
    Oh, ok. Haha. No wonder you know so much details.

    I mostly read The Star and The Sun. Read Harakah once or twice. Don't like Utusan at all.
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    Inquest verdict: Open verdict.

    According to The Star twitter

    Court in session now
    Lawyer Tan Hock Chuan addressing court now
    Selangor MB Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim arrives
    Coroner: I thank the lawyers (naming each one). I've prepared written verdict, will distribute copies to family, state, parties who want it
    Coroner Azmil: Thru out the days of inquest, we've called 37 witnesses including 12 expert witnesses
    Azmil: Must bear in mind that in an inquest, there is no enactment, no prosecution, no defence, no trial, simply trying to establish facts.
    Pin drop silence in courtroom. Everyone appears tensed. Only coroner reading his written verdict
    Azmil now going through facts of the case, how the MACC was investigating a case of misuse of funds and how it led them to Ean Yong's office
    Coroner established time of death as between 7.15am and 11.15am on July 16, 2009
    Coroner: Now I go to the most important question. How and in what manner did the deceased die?
    Coroner: The neck injury and the suicide note are the crucial evidence
    Coroner: Two theories of cause of death advanced - death by homicide n death by suicide
    Coroner: Handwriting of the suicide note was only similar to the deceased's
    Coroner: I'm not qualified to say it's a suicide note
    Coroner: I rule out death of the deceased by committing suicide
    Coroner said there were "unsettled issues" in the question of suicide
    Teoh Inquest: It’s not suicide, coroner says http://bit.ly/ftNAAh
    Coroner: I return an open verdict in the inquest
    Coroner delivered the open verdict after also ruling out death by homicide.
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    There are lots of things on this case that is just plain funny. Things like the prosecutor/attorney from MACC suggesting that Teoh strangled himself was on youtube for a while. Then there is also the translator who used Google to translate for MACC (so much money and staff and still no one who can read chinese).

    Or the fact that MACC allows people to wonder around their building unescorted in the middle of the night. This despite them being an agency who was very insistent that any reports lodged with them are to be strictly confidential.

    Ace_High: To say that MACC (and also the previous incarnation ACA) is fair in their investigations seems a stretch too far for me.

    What happened (if anything) to the issue of a politician in Malacca/N9 (dunno which) sending millions out of the country a couple of years ago?

    What about Muhammad Muhammad Taib (Selangor ex-MB who doesn't speak English)? Was any investigation done on his 4 million that he brought into Aussie?

    And isn't money politics an offence? Why is it that Isa Samad who was suspended by UMNO for money politics not even investigated?
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