Should we help the poor/weak or do nothing?

[IPlayWow]

Why discriminate between someone in my immediate area and the world at large?


It's called reciprocation, it is the basis of human interaction. You give something to me, I give you something back in return. I work for a company, the company gives me money. I pay taxes, the government provides infrastructure.



My first post clearly states that I only want to help those important or useful to me.



Probably not, unless the kid has a pretty sister. God can keep his mercy.

Yup defeinitly what a communist would do. only help themself if they find that it will benefit them in some way.

GOD is reading what you're saying and you're probably going to hell for this.

There's no need to bring up the fact about you working and getting paid and stuff because we're only talking about helping people and from what me and GOD is reading from your own words. You are a careless heartless person. may GOD have mercy on you.

[Banh Mi]

Yup defeinitly what a communist would do. only help themself if they find that it will benefit them in some way.

GOD is reading what you're saying and you're probably going to hell for this.

There's no need to bring up the fact about you working and getting paid and stuff because we're only talking about helping people and from what me and GOD is reading from your own words. You are a careless heartless person. may GOD have mercy on you.

Why waste mercy on someone as underserving as me. You can have my share of mercy. Oh wait, that would be too charitable. I'll trade you my share of God's mercy for a fried chicken.

[IPlayWow]

Why waste mercy on someone as underserving as me. You can have my share of mercy. Oh wait, that would be too charitable. I'll trade you my share of God's mercy for a fried chicken.

May GOD have mercy on you.

[devilz91]

May GOD have mercy on you.

Stop being a preacher kthx.

[IPlayWow]

Stop being a preacher kthx.

Why are you giving people order?

I would stop if maybe you asked me like/...

Can you please stop this or something but you didn't ask me, you're just telling me.

The fact that your name is Devil make me not want to follow your order.

May GOD have mercy on you too.

[devilz91]

Why are you giving people order?

I would stop if maybe you asked me like/...

Can you please stop this or something but you didn't asking me, you're just telling me.

The fact that your name is Devil make me not want to follow your order.

May GOD have mercy on you too.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[IPlayWow]

Obvious troll is obvious.

You got anything else better to say than call people name for no reason?

No wonder the devil keep losing to GOD. I'm starting to see more people coming to my church. Devil you will be defeated.

[Trien Chieu]

IPlayWow, this is a place for debate, not a place to preach about religion. In addition, stop being a dictator. There is nothing wrong with people like Banh Mi who refuse to give away what they earned. After all, he owes them nothing. As for the poor, there is something called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

[remember_Cedric]

Hahahahaha, please enlighten me as to how the likes of Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian are "hard-working." There are many people who are wealthy who don't do shit and don't deserve it, and plenty of poor people who are very hard-working, but unfortunately encounter many difficulties in their lives that prevent them from getting what they truly deserve. Don't generalize everything about the world, but hey, I guess that makes processing easier for you.

Jadey, allow me to laugh with you (though I'm very late). I really like this reply of yours. Diplomatically sarcastic, and funny.

My reply to topic: I would help:-

1) people who help themselves;
2) people who help others;
3) people who genuinely need help;
4) people who helped me before.

I think it depends on the situation and the people who need help - so above is my list of people whom I think they are help-worthy.

Being the nosy kind of person, I would usually offer to help another even if I know for sure, I don't gain anything it. Being the sucker, I'd usually put others' needs before mine.

I guess people who lived in/grew up in a different environment/situation have a different perception of helping needy due to the events/experienced they have been exposed to.

[IPlayWow]

IPlayWow, this is a place for debate, not a place to preach about religion. In addition, stop being a dictator. There is nothing wrong with people like Banh Mi who refuse to give away what they earned. After all, he owes them nothing. As for the poor, there is something called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Did you read every post me and that guy typed up or do you just come in here and read some and decide to type this up???


another thing please read the topic name carefully because I'm pretty sure there is a word next to poor.

[yittz]

My reply to topic: I would help:-

1) people who help themselves;
2) people who help others;
3) people who genuinely need help;
4) people who helped me before.

That's a sensible list.

I think the best help is empowering someone to help themselves.
Not a fan of chucking resources down a bottomless hole.

I don't understand this business of communism being thrown around. The original communism ideology very much opposes selfishness, it's all about sharing resources and as per need basis. All 'communist' countries are just socialist states aiming (and miserably failing) to achieve communism.

[Trien Chieu]

Did you read every post me and that guy typed up or do you just come in here and read some and decide to type this up???
another thing please read the topic name carefully because I'm pretty sure there is a word next to poor.

I read every posts and there is nothing wrong with what he does. He is basically keeping whatever he earned, only care about his loved ones and refuse to give it away to people that are not related to him. That is human nature and there is nothing wrong with it. He did not violate any law of the land for doing so. On the other hand, you are the one trying to dictate other people lives and preaching about religion.

I don't understand this business of communism being thrown around. The original communism ideology very much opposes selfishness, it's all about sharing resources and as per need basis. All 'communist' countries are just socialist states aiming (and miserably failing) to achieve communism.

What do you think about communist leaders such as Mao of China, Stalin of Russia, Pol Pot of Cambodia, and Kim Jong Il of North Korea? If Karl Marx was around during those era, he would support them.

[IPlayWow]

I read every posts and there is nothing wrong with what he does. He is basically keeping whatever he earned, only care about his loved ones and refuse to give it away to people that are not related to him. That is human nature and there is nothing wrong with it. He did not violate any law of the land for doing so. On the other hand, you are the one trying to dictate other people lives and preaching about religion.



What do you think about communist leaders such as Mao of China, Stalin of Russia, Pol Pot of Cambodia, and Kim Jong Il of North Korea? If Karl Marx was around during those era, he would support them.

Dictate what? If you think I have any real authority to tell people what to do than you must be an idiot.

I'm only trying to ask nicely as I can that people help those that are in need of help.

Preaching religion or no... is it wrong to talk about being good and having a kind heart?

But on the other hand, that banh mi person have been talking like a communist only helping people that will benefit him/her. What a heartless person. Somebody lives is in danger live in front of him/her and he's/she's be thinking if helping that person will benefit him/her. I bet if that person is some poor homeless, the banh mi person will walk away and could careless.

[Trien Chieu]

Dictate what? If you think I have any real authority to tell people what to do than you must be an idiot.

I'm only trying to ask nicely as I can that people help those that are in need of help.

Preaching religion or no... is it wrong to talk about being good and having a kind heart?

The key word is TRYING. When people disagree with you, you cursed them that they will go to hell. If you want to spend your life helping others, that is your choice but do not force your beliefs onto others.

But on the other hand, that banh mi person have been talking like a communist only helping people that will benefit him/her. What a heartless person. Somebody lives is in danger live in front of him/her and he's/she's be thinking if helping that person will benefit him/her. I bet if that person is some poor homeless, the banh mi person will walk away and could careless.

There is something called "Personal Responsibility". Everyone is responsible for their own well being. Get it???

[IPlayWow]

The key word is TRYING. When people disagree with you, you cursed them that they will go to hell. If you want to spend your life helping others, that is your choice but do not force your beliefs onto others.



There is something called "Personal Responsibility". Everyone is responsible for their own well being. Get it???

does may GOD have mercy on you somehow translate into cursing another person to hell?

and as I have said before there is another word right next to poor on the title.

Did you not read carefully or something?

How can a weak person have personal responsiblity? Are you trying to say that a little infant baby can survive on it own without help?

or maybe you think that helping that baby might benefit you some day or else you would just leave it for dead?

[HuangYushi]

To IPlayWow and Trien Chieu:

There are ways to debate with one another (and with others) without sounding so worked up. While I do understand that putting one's views across is part and parcel of debating, there is also the other facet of respecting the views of others (regardless of how different these may be from yours) and agreeing to disagree.

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[Trien Chieu]

How can a weak person have personal responsiblity? Are you trying to say that a little infant baby can survive on it own without help?
or maybe you think that helping that baby might benefit you some day or else you would just leave it for dead?

The baby doesn't appear out of nowhere. Where is the father and mother?? Why don't you put the blame on the baby's mother and father who don't live up to their responsibility? Why do you put the blame on someone else who has nothing to do with it? Where is your common sense?

[IPlayWow]

The baby doesn't appear out of nowhere. Where is the father and mother?? Why don't you put the blame on the baby's mother and father who don't live up to their responsibility? Why do you put the blame on someone else who has nothing to do with it? Where is your common sense?

What Blame? I'm not blaming anyone??

Did you even read my post cleary before you typed this up???

I'm simply asking questions and it seem you don't understand or something.

let me give you another example of my question and see if you can understand it.


If you see a baby live in front of you and not on TV or whatever and that baby parent is nowhere to be found, would you at least do something to help or just leave it where it is?

Maybe call for emergency at least or take it to the hospital? Or you think eh... this baby will do me no good, don't care keep walking?


Hopefully you will understand my question this time...

[Trien Chieu]

If you see a baby live in front of you and not on TV or whatever and that baby parent is nowhere to be found, would you at least do something to help or just leave it where it is?
Maybe call for emergency at least or take it to the hospital? Or you think eh... this baby will do me no good, don't care keep walking?
Hopefully you will understand my question this time...

In this situation, I would call and report this to the police and let the police handle it. I think everyone would do the same including Banh Mi. However, I wouldn't want to raise the kid as it's not my responsibility.

[PJ]

Wow, some debate this became.

"May GOD (TM) have mercy on you" has officially entered the Idioms of SPCNET.