Do you think Yelu Qi is a secret spy agent sent by Mongol ?

[goodrick]

I have a question to ask about Yelu Qi , do you think he actually a secret spy agent or mole like today CIA ,KGB,Mossad ,Al-Queda,James Bond etc sent by Odegei Khan and Mongke Khan to spy on Guo Jing ,Huang Rong and the Song dynasty ?

Why Guo Jing and Huang Rong accept him as son in law despite he a Qidan and even Huang Yat Shi accept him ,a enemy of Han,and his father serve for Mongolian ?
Why The Beggar clan accept him while they reject Kiew Fung in DGSD who is also a Qidan?
How he fall love to Guo Fu ,do you think he actually pretend to love her for special mission ?
And do you think he actually a cold heart,ruthless ,brutal , person and chosen by Ogedei/Mongke /Kublai for this spy mission ?
Could he play a important role on the fall of Sung dynasty by spying on the Sung army?

Thanks.

That is an interesting theory, but completely baseless since there was nothing said or done by Yelu Qi to suggest he was a mongol spy and betrayed the song people. On the contrary his words and actions suggest otherwise.

[Razorclaw]

Could it be that Yelu Qi was the one behind the death of the GJ and HR and the fall of Xianyang? He married GF purely because he wanted to be in an influential family. Although HSDS did not really mention anything about him but it could be possible that he poisoned the Guo family and colluded with Kublai.

[blurry]

YQ could have been the culprit behind the fall of XY. He may have worked with Kublai after the death of Mongke and receieved fame and fortune upon the fall of XY

[Ken Cheng]

Anything is possible, I suppose, but this would seem out of character for Yeh Lut Chai: in his very few appearances, he seemed quite honorable and decent and earned the trust of the Gwok Family. It would be an extraordinary turn of events that would turn him traitor.

[Trien Chieu]

Anything is possible, I suppose, but this would seem out of character for Yeh Lut Chai: in his very few appearances, he seemed quite honorable and decent and earned the trust of the Gwok Family. It would be an extraordinary turn of events that would turn him traitor.

Yeah. It's highly unlikely that YQ would betray GJ and WY but the same can't be said about his family. On the other hand, it's almost impossible for the mongol to defeat GJ and WY without traitor from their side. GWM was already dead at that time. The mongol no longer have elite fighters. Kublai wouldn't dare to go after GJ and WY without dirty trick.

[Trien Chieu]

We don't know who betrayed GJ and WY but they must be betrayed by someone from their side so that they lose. There is no way the Mongols can defeat them fair and square.

[blurry]

Anything is possible, I suppose, but this would seem out of character for Yeh Lut Chai: in his very few appearances, he seemed quite honorable and decent and earned the trust of the Gwok Family. It would be an extraordinary turn of events that would turn him traitor.

YQ could be another hipocrite like YBQ, honorable on the surface but deceitful in the inside. Afterall, his father was a high ranking Mongolian official. Sometimes winning an enemy through deceitful methods is far more effective than a head on war

[Ken Cheng]

YQ could be another hipocrite like YBQ, honorable on the surface but deceitful in the inside. Afterall, his father was a high ranking Mongolian official. Sometimes winning an enemy through deceitful methods is far more effective than a head on war

Except there is ZERO indication of this in regards to Yeh Lut Chai. With Ngok But Kwun, it was pretty evident to the audience if not to his wulin peers. With Yeh Lut Chai, there isn't any hint at all.

[pannonian]

YQ could be another hipocrite like YBQ, honorable on the surface but deceitful in the inside. Afterall, his father was a high ranking Mongolian official. Sometimes winning an enemy through deceitful methods is far more effective than a head on war

His father and his brother were both executed by the Mongols. Yelu Qi and his sister were both on the run when they eventually ended up in Guo Jing's household.

[blurry]

His father and his brother were both executed by the Mongols. Yelu Qi and his sister were both on the run when they eventually ended up in Guo Jing's household.

Surprise the smart HR didn't raise any suspicion on him though.

[Ken Cheng]

Surprise the smart HR didn't raise any suspicion on him though.

Because there was nothing to be suspicious of. The Yeh Luts once served the Mongol Empire, but after the leadership turned against the Yeh Luts and began persecuting them, there was no reason for Yeh Lut Chai to continue being loyal to them.

[snowstrider]

Why did an extremely intelligent person like Huang Rong allow her daughter to marry a Jin and gave him the chance to compete for the beggars clan position when they knew his father was a prominent person in the mongol empire.

Wasn’t she afraid that he was a spy sent by the Mongols to take them out? I am suspecting that the fall of xiangyang was somewhat related to Yelu Qi...

[Chongdong Bubai]

Why did an extremely intelligent person like Huang Rong allow her daughter to marry a Jin and gave him the chance to compete for the beggars clan position when they knew his father was a prominent person in the mongol empire.

Wasn’t she afraid that he was a spy sent by the Mongols to take them out? I am suspecting that the fall of xiangyang was somewhat related to Yelu Qi...

Given that there wasn’t any man under the sky who would marry GF except YLQ, HR didn’t have much of a choice. If GF remains single, she is going to continue to piss off lots of people and ends up getting killed. It was better to have a man who don’t mind marrying her and watching over her than none.

By the time XY fell YLQ was probably already in his fifties, so I doubt he would have waited so long to betray them. If he was Kublai’s spy, he would have betrayed the Guos long time go.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

Why did an extremely intelligent person like Huang Rong allow her daughter to marry a Jin and gave him the chance to compete for the beggars clan position when they knew his father was a prominent person in the mongol empire.

Wasn’t she afraid that he was a spy sent by the Mongols to take them out? I am suspecting that the fall of xiangyang was somewhat related to Yelu Qi...

YLQ was the student of ZBT and YG was also his friend, so his character was pretty well guaranteed. Also his father was publicly executed by the Mongol so making it extremely unlikely for him to be their spy.

[Ken Cheng]

Yeh Lut Chai was an ethnic Khitan (Liao Empire), not a Jurchen (Jin Empire).

His family had been powerful nobles under the Mongol Empire during the time of Genghis Khan, but relations between the Mongol rulers and the Yeh Lut Family had eroded during the time of Ogodei Khan. By the midpoint of ROCH, the Yeh Luts had become personas non grata among the Mongol rulership and thus, Yeh Lut Chai had no motivation to want to side with them. If anything, marrying Gwok Fu and allying himself with the Seung Yeung defenders could be interpreted as an act of self-preservation.

[snowstrider]

YLQ was the student of ZBT and YG was also his friend, so his character was pretty well guaranteed. Also his father was publicly executed by the Mongol so making it extremely unlikely for him to be their spy.

But it is somewhat a big risk to judge his character based on the fact that he was ZBT student and YG's friend. There could still be a possibility that he would have ill intentions. Take YK for instance, he was QCJ's student and GJ's sworn brother but he stil murdered the freaks.

[Ken Cheng]

But it is somewhat a big risk to judge his character based on the fact that he was ZBT student and YG's friend. There could still be a possibility that he would have ill intentions. Take YK for instance, he was QCJ's student and GJ's sworn brother but he stil murdered the freaks.

The quality of those relationships were not the same. Yeung Hong had a history of dastardly deeds; Yeh Lut Chai's deeds were all honorable and heroic.

[Mandred Skavenslayer]

But it is somewhat a big risk to judge his character based on the fact that he was ZBT student and YG's friend. There could still be a possibility that he would have ill intentions. Take YK for instance, he was QCJ's student and GJ's sworn brother but he stil murdered the freaks.

While it may be possible to trick ZBT, YG is another matter and we definitely can't compare him to the naive GJ.

[Western Eccentric]

While it may be possible to trick ZBT, YG is another matter and we definitely can't compare him to the naive GJ.

Yeah Yang Guo is the only person who know Huotu true identity as He Shiwo as well as his plan to "seize power" Yelu Qi might be smarter than Guo Jing but he is far from Huotu level of cunningly IMHO..

[Ken Cheng]

I'm surprised this topic was raised by multiple people so many years apart because ROCH does not provide even a subtle hint that Yeh Lut Chai was not trustworthy. Nothing in his conduct would suggest it. The only thing you could remotely hold against him was that his family served the Mongol regime during Genghis Khan's time...but so did Gwok Jing.