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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Dongfong Bubai described this process of taking special refined herbs and pills after his castration. But he had the whole sect at his disposal and that might have been a luxury that sped up his healing process or something. I doubt Lin or Yue were able to secretly do all those things while appearing normal by daytime and practicing by night.
    In the third edition of SPW, the part where LPZ was explaining to YLS about training in Pixie swordplay was modified to make it clear that the medicine was required for Pixie as well, and that the self-castration was necessary in part due to the effects of the medicine (slightly more believable, I guess).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Kwok View Post
    In the third edition of SPW, the part where LPZ was explaining to YLS about training in Pixie swordplay was modified to make it clear that the medicine was required for Pixie as well, and that the self-castration was necessary in part due to the effects of the medicine (slightly more believable, I guess).
    ...were they required to take immense amounts of Viagra or something??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc Kwok View Post
    In the third edition of SPW, the part where LPZ was explaining to YLS about training in Pixie swordplay was modified to make it clear that the medicine was required for Pixie as well, and that the self-castration was necessary in part due to the effects of the medicine (slightly more believable, I guess).
    How did YBQ & LPZ managed to prepare the medicine in secret?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace High View Post
    Furthermore, castration will take some time for recovery. It could take at least 3-4 days just for the wound to dry and maybe weeks before he could even walk, much less practicing sword arts. YBQ covered this up by pretending to be sick.
    I thought Old Yue cut his dick off only after he decided to go into retreat in the Repenting valley for 3 months?

    He tried to practise Bixie first without castrating, but after several attempts without any improvement, and ironically being pushed by Zuo Leng Chan's calling of the merging of the sects and further ironically being psyched by Ning Zhong Ze, then made his fateful decision to slice it off.

    Can you imagine he chose to part with his 'precious' while still in Mount Hua, wouldnt Ning have detected it amiss? At least one cannot stand and walk properly after castrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiaop View Post
    I thought Old Yue cut his dick off only after he decided to go into retreat in the Repenting valley for 3 months?

    He tried to practise Bixie first without castrating, but after several attempts without any improvement, and ironically being pushed by Zuo Leng Chan's calling of the merging of the sects and further ironically being psyched by Ning Zhong Ze, then made his fateful decision to slice it off.

    Can you imagine he chose to part with his 'precious' while still in Mount Hua, wouldnt Ning have detected it amiss? At least one cannot stand and walk properly after castrating.
    Excerpt from Chapter 35 - Vengeance, translated by pokit

    She then heard Lin Ping Zhi continued, “The Buddhist robe wasn’t on Ling Hu Chong’s body anymore, so it must’ve been taken by your parents. From Fuzhou till Mount Hua, I quietly observed things. But your father covered up really well and I didn’t manage to see anything wrong at all. Your father was sick at that time. Of course, who would’ve known that once he’s seen the Evil-Resisting Sword Manuscript, he immediately castrated himself to practise the sword? During the journey, there were a lot people there, so I didn’t dare to peep in on your parents. Once we returned to Mount Hua, I hid on top of the precipice outside your parents’ bedroom every night to hear their conversations and to find out where my sword manual is.”

    From the paragraph, it is clear that

    1. YBQ castrated himself immediately when he got the sword manual
    2. The castration took place during their journey from Fuzhou to Mount Hua.
    3. YBQ pretend to be sick to hide the castration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    What choices did Lin Pingzi actually have? Once he joined the Huashan Sect, his fate was more or less sealed to be manipulated by Yue Buqun. Prior to that, he couldn't even really take the non-vengeance route like Zhang Wuji did even if he wanted to since people like Yu Canghai and Yue Buqun were secretly keeping tabs on him and he certainly lacked the ability to protect himself.

    If had had chosen not to practice PiXie Swordplay, Yue Buqun would still have killed him sooner or later. His life was doomed to be terrible, but I suppose he made it a bit more terrible for himself by doing things like killing Yue Lingshan. At that point though, he was already blind, castrated, and probably a bit crazy so I never really felt he was despicable or anything like that.
    Pretty much this. I really believe LPZ was doom the moment he was born. He can't escape his fate, no matter what "choices" he make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shangster View Post
    Pretty much this. I really believe LPZ was doom the moment he was born. He can't escape his fate, no matter what "choices" he make.
    This is bullshit. If he was wise, he would not castrate himself. He was about to marry Yue Lingshan. He should pretend not knowing anything. He would be happily married and eventually YBQ will teach him all the great martial art of Huashan and will able to revenge. He is just too stupid to look far ahead.

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    Also, if Yue Buqun wanted to kill Lin Pingzi, then why is he still alive? Heck, Yue Buqun actually let him leave Hua Mountain with everybody else to participate in the meeting of wulin. Later on, he was able to escape *with* his wife almost effortlessly. Look look-outs, no shadow. Lin Pingzi was free to do whatever he liked and go wild. Some prisoner, eh..

    Once Yue Buqun had the Pixie Sword Manual, he didn't really care about Lin Pingzi anymore. A loose end? Sure, but after Lin Pingzi married his wife, his life was already out of danger. After losing the shroud, Yue Buqun was suspicious, true, but not enough to kill his own son-in-law without proof. After Yue Buqun castrated himself, I'm willing to bet that Yue Buqun was actually counting on Lin Pingzi to give him grandchildren. Not once was Lin Pingzi's life was actually in any real danger, otherwise he would be forced to use Pixie Sword to defend himself and that would expose himself to Yue Buqun. If that happened, Yue Buqun would definitely want to kill him.

    In essence, Lin Pingzi's castration and his mastery of the Pixie Sword did NOTHING to preserve his life. It was all about POWER.

    Lin Pingzi was not doomed from the moment he entered Hua Mountain, nor was his destiny written when he was born. He had options. Lin Pingzi made the choices that led to his doom and the end of his whole lineage. He even killed his innocent and devoted wife just for kicks...

    Everything is his own damn fault. I hate Lin Pingzi almost as much as I hate Guo Fu.

    You know, I don't like to burn bridges, but I will say this with absolute certainty. Whoever thinks that Lin Pingzi didn't deserve what he got is a bloody idiot.

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    Your rant is answered directly in the novel:

    ""Second martial brother,” Lin Pingzhi said, “if you pretended to be killed at Fuzhou, then... then eighth martial brother was killed by you?"

    "No,” Lao Denuo snorted. “Ying Bailuo is only a small kid, why do I want to kill him for?"

    "You're still denying it?” Yue Lingshan shouted. “He... He... Little Lin was chopped with a sword from the back, this must be your doing too. I've always wrongly blamed big martial brother. Hng, you did good. You killed some old guy and chopped his face up, then you put your gown on the dead person so everyone thought you were killed."

    "Your guess is right,” Lao Denuo acknowledged. “If I didn't do that, how can Yue Buqun let me go that easily? But I wasn't the one who slashed at Young Hero Lin's back."

    "Not you? Could there be another person?"

    Lao Denuo coldly said, "It's not just another person, it's your father."

    "Nonsense!” Yue Lingshan shouted. “You did this bad thing, but you're blaming someone else for it. There's nothing wrong with my father at all, why would he want to harm Brother Ping?"

    "Because at that time, your father has already gotten the Evil Resisting Sword Manual from Linghu Chong's body. This sword manual belongs to the Lin family so the first person Yue Buqun wanted to kill was your Brother Ping. If Lin Pingzhi lives, how can your father learn the Evil Resisting Sword Art?" Lao Denuo explained.

    Yue Lingshan didn't know how to answer. In her heart, she knew those words were logical but she could never believe that her own father would plot against Lin Pingzhi. She almost said the words 'nonsense', but instead she said, "If we take that my father was the one who wanted to harm Brother Ping, how come his sword didn't kill him?"

    Lin Pingzhi suddenly said, "This attack was really done by Yue Buqun. Second martial brother isn't wrong."

    Yue Lingshan stammered, "You... You... You also believe this?"

    "Yue Buqun chopped at my back and injured me heavily. I knew that I had no way of fighting back so I dropped to the ground and pretended that I had died. At that time, I didn't know it was Yue Buqun who plotted against me. But as I was beginning to lose consciousness, I heard eighth martial brother's voice. He called out: 'Master!' When eighth martial brother called out 'Master', he saved my life, but gave his life instead," Lin Pingzhi related.

    Startled, Yue Lingshan said, "You're saying eighth martial brother was also... also... also killed by my father?"

    "Of course! After I heard eighth martial brother called out 'Master', he cried out miserably. Then I lost consciousness totally and didn't know anything else," Lin Pingzhi said.

    Lao Denuo continued the story, "At first, Yue Buqun wanted to give you another stab. But I was watching from the dark and I coughed lightly. Yue Buqun didn't dare to stay and quickly went back to his room. Brother Lin, my cough can be said to have saved your life."

    "If... If my father really wanted to harm you, later on... later on he got many opportunities, why didn't he kill you then?" Yue Lingshan argued.

    "After that I guard every step of my way so he had no other opportunity to kill me,” Lin Pingzhi coldly said. “You were actually very lucky for me. All day long we were always together, so it wasn't convenient for him to kill me."

    Yue Lingshan cried and said, "So... so... you took me as your wife to fool other people, and also... also... to use me as your shield."


    This happened right after Yue obtained the robe and he immediately goes to kill Lin Pingzhi. Kind of debunks the whole he'd be safe thing eh?

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    Except in that part of the story, Lin Pingzi is already nuts. He's suspicious of everyone he meets and has become a complete pessimist. Or do you actually believe that shit he said about Linghu Chong? Or maybe Yue Lingshan deserves to die, eh?

    Did Yue Buqun really want to kill him still? Or was it just paranoia? After all, from Hua Mountain to the Hero Meeting is a long trip. How is it possible that Lin Pingzi can stay near Yue Lingshan 100% of the time? Doesn't he have to bathe? Or use the restroom? Or practice his martial arts? Even if he could do that, wouldn't Yue Buqun be even more suspicious?

    If Yue Buqun was actually watching for any opportunity to kill Lin Pingzi, he should be dead the moment he was alone. Or at least Yue Buqun should have attacked him. After all, he can move like the flash now. Yue Buqun likely just gave up trying to kill him, or at least in the immediate future. Otherwise, by logic, Yue Buqun shouldn't have just let him walk away after the meeting if he feared retribution or whatever.

    Again, I have to stress that Lin Pingzi was safe. After he married Yue Lingshan, she was already all the protection he needed, because if Yue Buqun ever struck at Lin Pingzi after he became his own son-in-law, Lin Pingzi would have no choice but to reveal he knows Pixie Sword in order to preserve his life. But there was never a second attempt at his life, that's the truth. Make sense, if not because Lin Pingzi and Yue Buqun are now technically family, then it's because if the son-in-law of a sect leader such as Yue Buqun died mysteriously or was murdered, that would draw too much attention.

    Not only that, Ning Zhongze also knew what's up. Lin Pingzi heard her confront her husband. She likes Lin Pingzi as a son-in-law. If Lin Pingzi suddenly dies, do you not think she would connect it to her husband and his thief of the Pixie Sword Manual? Do you not think someone as careful and as scheming as Yue Buqun would forget this point? If he killed Lin Pingzi and caused his own wife to turn on him, what will he do next? Kill his wife to shut her up? That'll draw even more attention! So Lin Pingzi's protection was actually two-folds.

    In short, Lin Pingzi didn't need Pixie Sword to survive. Pixie Sword did NOTHING to preserve his life. Just the opposite, the disappearance of the shroud caused Yue Buqun's suspicion to fall on him so he had to walk extra lightly. But even then, Yue Buqun didn't do shit.

    He castrated himself for power and vengeance. He deserves what he got.

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    Wait, I'm not sure, did you read the passage?

    Yue Buqun already struck out at him and tried to kill him, which is backed by Lao Denuo's words. I don't think this is meant to be an interpretive scene, it actually happened.

    After this incident, Lin stayed with Yue Lingshan to make it inconvenient to kill him. I do agree this is a weak reason by the author given Yue's flash like abilities by now, but it is JY's way of telling us that Yue was still trying to kill him. Kind of like how the Greats in LOCH/ROCH should have been able to massacre soldiers/end the war with their abilities if we look at it from a reader's point of view, except JY always gives weak reasons that we have to accept.

    As for Lin Pingzhi being safe, look at it from his point of view. His master is known to the world as the Gentleman Sword, now he realizes that not only is he not a perfect gentleman, he is the exact opposite of it. He created this whole plot to recruit him in order to steal his sword art, and right after he stole it, he immediately tried to kill you.

    How can you ever feel safe around him ? There is logic in the safety thing, but there is also logic in Yue Buqun just killing him and framing Sun Moon Sect members at a future point in time. Why would you blindly put all your trust that suddenly this fake gentleman would suddenly act a certain way? He has already framed Linghu Chong and massacred his own students, why couldn't he frame other people for killing Lin Pingzhi and even his wife to shut them up? He certainly is able to do that. His behavior is unpredictable, and your life is on the line. Not to mention you have to live everyday of your life looking at the guy who stole your family heirloom and pretend to be a happy son in law. Is that somehow much better than the alternative?

    Ironically chopping off his manhood gave him the ability to act like a "real man" in wuxia context. He goes through self sacrifice and uses his own ability to avenge his parents. The alternative is forever living in fear and in the shadow of a crazy manipulative man who stole your shit, tried to kill you, and is pretending to be a hero to the whole world.
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    And to clarify, I do agree that his thirst for vengeance did make him suffer more than he otherwise would have, but I'd say the thirst for vengeance was pretty justified, and then all the other events transpiring just made it close to 80-90% chance that he's dead or suffering no matter what choices he makes.

    If he makes the perfect choices with some great luck perhaps he has a chance to not have a terrible end, but he was just in an altogether terrible situation from the start. Most other JY protagonists that want vengeance always have had the option of at least remaining anonymous and treating vengeance as a quest. LPZ had tabs tracked on him by powerful wulin members even before the whole story happened. It's possible he could take the ZHang Wuji route and try to change his name and live in the countryside, but that was pretty much his only option. Once he attempted anything and tried to join Huashan, his fate was more or less sealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWErD View Post
    Except in that part of the story, Lin Pingzi is already nuts. He's suspicious of everyone he meets and has become a complete pessimist. Or do you actually believe that shit he said about Linghu Chong? Or maybe Yue Lingshan deserves to die, eh?

    Did Yue Buqun really want to kill him still? Or was it just paranoia? After all, from Hua Mountain to the Hero Meeting is a long trip. How is it possible that Lin Pingzi can stay near Yue Lingshan 100% of the time? Doesn't he have to bathe? Or use the restroom? Or practice his martial arts? Even if he could do that, wouldn't Yue Buqun be even more suspicious?

    If Yue Buqun was actually watching for any opportunity to kill Lin Pingzi, he should be dead the moment he was alone. Or at least Yue Buqun should have attacked him. After all, he can move like the flash now. Yue Buqun likely just gave up trying to kill him, or at least in the immediate future. Otherwise, by logic, Yue Buqun shouldn't have just let him walk away after the meeting if he feared retribution or whatever.

    Again, I have to stress that Lin Pingzi was safe. After he married Yue Lingshan, she was already all the protection he needed, because if Yue Buqun ever struck at Lin Pingzi after he became his own son-in-law, Lin Pingzi would have no choice but to reveal he knows Pixie Sword in order to preserve his life. But there was never a second attempt at his life, that's the truth. Make sense, if not because Lin Pingzi and Yue Buqun are now technically family, then it's because if the son-in-law of a sect leader such as Yue Buqun died mysteriously or was murdered, that would draw too much attention.

    Not only that, Ning Zhongze also knew what's up. Lin Pingzi heard her confront her husband. She likes Lin Pingzi as a son-in-law. If Lin Pingzi suddenly dies, do you not think she would connect it to her husband and his thief of the Pixie Sword Manual? Do you not think someone as careful and as scheming as Yue Buqun would forget this point? If he killed Lin Pingzi and caused his own wife to turn on him, what will he do next? Kill his wife to shut her up? That'll draw even more attention! So Lin Pingzi's protection was actually two-folds.

    In short, Lin Pingzi didn't need Pixie Sword to survive. Pixie Sword did NOTHING to preserve his life. Just the opposite, the disappearance of the shroud caused Yue Buqun's suspicion to fall on him so he had to walk extra lightly. But even then, Yue Buqun didn't do shit.

    He castrated himself for power and vengeance. He deserves what he got.

    Your argument relies on the premise that YBQ will forever be held over the barrel of having to preserve his reputation, which although true in the short term, would not have lasted.

    At the battle of Mount Song he spared ZLS to appear merciful, but the latter knew that it was only a matter of time before YBQ would feel secure enough to move against him. I see no reason to think YBQ would not have applied the same mindset to LPZ, sparing him now but the moment his position was unassailable he would eliminate a potential threat no matter how remote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Ironically chopping off his manhood gave him the ability to act like a "real man" in wuxia context. He goes through self sacrifice and uses his own ability to avenge his parents. The alternative is forever living in fear and in the shadow of a crazy manipulative man who stole your shit, tried to kill you, and is pretending to be a hero to the whole world.
    How can chopping off his manhood gave him the ability to act like a real man? As a man, if you lose your manhood, you no longer a man. Death is a better alternative than losing the manhood. If LPZ is wise and has the patient, he would get everything. Too bad that he is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    And to clarify, I do agree that his thirst for vengeance did make him suffer more than he otherwise would have, but I'd say the thirst for vengeance was pretty justified, and then all the other events transpiring just made it close to 80-90% chance that he's dead or suffering no matter what choices he makes.

    If he makes the perfect choices with some great luck perhaps he has a chance to not have a terrible end, but he was just in an altogether terrible situation from the start. Most other JY protagonists that want vengeance always have had the option of at least remaining anonymous and treating vengeance as a quest. LPZ had tabs tracked on him by powerful wulin members even before the whole story happened. It's possible he could take the ZHang Wuji route and try to change his name and live in the countryside, but that was pretty much his only option. Once he attempted anything and tried to join Huashan, his fate was more or less sealed.
    Nah, if he follows through and marry YLS without chopping his manhood he would succeed in life. He would be the heir of Huashan and eventually able to revenge. To bad he is too stupid and doesn't have the patient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    It's possible he could take the ZHang Wuji route and try to change his name and live in the countryside, but that was pretty much his only option. Once he attempted anything and tried to join Huashan, his fate was more or less sealed.
    The difference is Lin Ping Zhi was a pampered young master of a rich family. He has too much pride and anger in him. All he thinks is how to avenge his family as quickly as possible.

    After Lin Ping Zhi recovers the money and treasures from Fortune-Prestige Escort House’s Hunan branch, he should proceed to Luoyang as soon as possible to join up with his only relatives left, the Wang Family. But he went to Hengshan to ‘save’ his parents. How to do it wasn’t factored in his calculation. He doesn’t have the skills to do it himself nor do he has allies to help him. The only option left is to ask help from unknown (to him) masters who have no reason to help him at all except to lay their hands on the manual.

    So yeah, he asked for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace High View Post
    The difference is Lin Ping Zhi was a pampered young master of a rich family. He has too much pride and anger in him. All he thinks is how to avenge his family as quickly as possible.

    After Lin Ping Zhi recovers the money and treasures from Fortune-Prestige Escort House’s Hunan branch, he should proceed to Luoyang as soon as possible to join up with his only relatives left, the Wang Family. But he went to Hengshan to ‘save’ his parents. How to do it wasn’t factored in his calculation. He doesn’t have the skills to do it himself nor do he has allies to help him. The only option left is to ask help from unknown (to him) masters who have no reason to help him at all except to lay their hands on the manual.

    So yeah, he asked for it.
    The manual itself is garbage anyway. All it does is destroying you in slow motion. If I were LPZ father, I would return the manual to Shaolin and let Shaolin destroys it. The manual is a curse and whoever got it will pay the heavy price. Lin Yuantu should be blame for the situation as well. He was a master at Shaolin. It's no doubt that he has great knowledge about great martial art of Shaolin and did not teach any of the great skill to his descendant. If he taught all the great skills that he knew to his descendant, the people of Qingcheng would not be match for them. They would be able to defend themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    The manual itself is garbage anyway. All it does is destroying you in slow motion. If I were LPZ father, I would return the manual to Shaolin and let Shaolin destroys it. The manual is a curse and whoever got it will pay the heavy price. Lin Yuantu should be blame for the situation as well. He was a master at Shaolin. It's no doubt that he has great knowledge about great martial art of Shaolin and did not teach any of the great skill to his descendant. If he taught all the great skills that he knew to his descendant, the people of Qingcheng would not be match for them. They would be able to defend themselves.
    The ‘garbage’ manual made a talentless disciple-class into a powerful master-class in a short time.

    Up until the attack by Qingcheng, there is no reason for Lin Zhen Nan to return it to Shaolin. Most probably Lin Zhen Nan didn't even know the origin of that monk's robe.

    Lin Yuan Tu’s descendants weren’t known for their talents in martial arts. They couldn’t even mastered crappy skills, muchless more powerful skills. Despite only learning it for a shorter time, Qingchengs disciples can use 72 moves of Evil Resisting Swort Arts with much more skills and efficiency than the Lin Family who has learnt it for their entire life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace High View Post
    The ‘garbage’ manual made a talentless disciple-class into a powerful master-class in a short time.


    You have to look to at what you have to sacrifice for the progress. The sacrifice is outweigh the gain. As a man, when you lose your manhood your life is done.

    Up until the attack by Qingcheng, there is no reason for Lin Zhen Nan to return it to Shaolin. Most probably Lin Zhen Nan didn't even know the origin of that monk's robe.
    This is probably true. I doubt Lin Yuantu didn't know other great martial art other than Bixie. He should have taught all the great martial art that he know to his descendants so they can defend themselves. Given his status in wulin, I suspect he knew lot of great martial arts including Yit Jinjing.

    Lin Yuan Tu’s descendants weren’t known for their talents in martial arts. They couldn’t even mastered crappy skills, muchless more powerful skills. Despite only learning it for a shorter time, Qingchengs disciples can use 72 moves of Evil Resisting Swort Arts with much more skills and efficiency than the Lin Family who has learnt it for their entire life.
    If this is the case, I wonder how they can make all the wealth. I thought they are very rich compare to other sects.

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    You have to look to at what you have to sacrifice for the progress. The sacrifice is outweigh the gain. As a man, when you lose your manhood your life is done.

    There is more to being a man than the ability to procreate just as there is more to being a woman than breeding children. Remember Sima Qian, despite losing his manhood he still made an invaluable contribution to Chinese culture.


    This is probably true. I doubt Lin Yuantu didn't know other great martial art other than Bixie. He should have taught all the great martial art that he know to his descendants so they can defend themselves. Given his status in wulin, I suspect he knew lot of great martial arts including Yit Jinjing.
    None of those Shaolin arts were LYT's to teach. Teaching the arts without permission from your master was a great taboo in ancient China. Remember in LOCH not one of Eastern Heretics apprentices would teach their own children the arts they learnt from him.

    If this is the case, I wonder how they can make all the wealth. I thought they are very rich compare to other sects.
    LYT's reputation went along way into that, not to mention the Lin's were very good at making influential friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    There is more to being a man than the ability to procreate just as there is more to being a woman than breeding children. Remember Sima Qian, despite losing his manhood he still made an invaluable contribution to Chinese culture.
    I agree that being a man is more than ability to procreate and being a woman is more than the ability to breed children. However, If you lose your manhood, you are no longer a man. Regarding Sima Qian, if he can be like 99.9%+ of other Chinese and kept quiet about Li Ling affair, he would not face such tragedy. In life, sometimes to have to take a step back in order to have a great plain and sky for you to enjoy.

    None of those Shaolin arts were LYT's to teach. Teaching the arts without permission from your master was a great taboo in ancient China. Remember in LOCH not one of Eastern Heretics apprentices would teach their own children the arts they learnt from him.
    Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to protect your family. I don't think their any thing wrong for Lin Yuantu to teach his family all those great martial arts to defend themselves from powerful enemies. Again to defend themselves, not for going after other innocent people. I don't think Shaolin would go after them just for being know the martial arts.

    LYT's reputation went along way into that, not to mention the Lin's were very good at making influential friends.
    Ok, I see. I guess wealth can be created without much of the martial arts.

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