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    Default Why did Xu Zhu suck so much at Shaolin martial arts?

    He seemed quite talented in picking up Xiaoyao martial arts, to the point where TSTL praised him early on after teaching him a lightness skill: “Unexpectedly you learn it with just one round of guidance, granny’s divine eyes did not misjudge your talent." Admittedly she later insulted him as stupid, but still; Xu Zhu was said to have a 'first rate' memory, even if his comprehension was weak.

    So why was it that he was so horrible at Shaolin martial arts? Was it simply because he honestly didn't care about martial arts? Bad teachers? What was it?
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    Well, his father, the leader of shaolin, doesn't want him get involved in wulin matters so he didn't have any opportunity to learn elite martial art of shaolin. I guess all he gets is very very basic kungfu with little training.

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    In the bits just translated, it said he just never had the opportunity nor the inclination to learn a higher level martial art.

    He had the entry level martial arts down pat though.

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    Since Xiao Yuanshan knew Xuzhu was Abbot Xuanci's son, was vengeful, and hid in Shaolin all those years, maybe he secretly made sure Xuzhu never progressed
    忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJ View Post
    Since Xiao Yuanshan knew Xuzhu was Abbot Xuanci's son, was vengeful, and hid in Shaolin all those years, maybe he secretly made sure Xuzhu never progressed
    If Xiao Yuanshan knew Xuzhu was Abbot Xianci's son, why did he not revenge? It's extremely easy for him do so.

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    Abbot Xuanci didn't know that Xu Zhu was his child. Xiao Yuanshan was the one who abducted Xu Zhu from Ye Er'niang, then hid him at Shaolin. That WAS his revenge.
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    ...because Hui Juk learned Bak Ming Sun Gung, which is all about sucking (internal energy).

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    Having vast quantities of inner power often masks deficiencies of genuine martial arts skill and talent. Look what accidental acquisitions of vast inner power also did for Hui Juk's fellow DGSD characters Deun Yu and Yau Tan Tze.

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    XZ was actually very skilled with the XYP martial arts he learned though. He was also able to use it medically effectively.

    Meanwhile, YTZ was a loggerbot with his strikes and DY was a complete flake with his skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoReverse View Post
    XZ was actually very skilled with the XYP martial arts he learned though. He was also able to use it medically effectively.
    AFTER he first got charged up with the three Siu Yiu Sect Elders' collective inner power. I think that without the initial power boost from Mo Ngai Tze, Hui Juk wouldn't have gotten anywhere.

    Meanwhile, YTZ was a loggerbot with his strikes and DY was a complete flake with his skills.
    They were, but Yau Tan Tze was still capable of taking down anybody lesser than Kiu Fung (or other fighters of that level) and Deun Yu could be a killing machine when he was firing on all cylinders.

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    Even though Xu Zhu was pretty crappy, he at the least actively trained in martial arts for like 20 years so has some sort of base. That must account for something.

    Duan Yu was way less clumsy by the end and that's with a year or two of experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Wo Xing View Post
    Abbot Xuanci didn't know that Xu Zhu was his child. Xiao Yuanshan was the one who abducted Xu Zhu from Ye Er'niang, then hid him at Shaolin. That WAS his revenge.
    But throughout those years in Shaolin, he didn't do any harm to Xu Zhu. Even after the death of Abbot Xuanci and Ye Er'niang, he did not go after Xu Zhu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trien Chieu View Post
    But throughout those years in Shaolin, he didn't do any harm to Xu Zhu.
    Siu Yeun San had bigger fish to fry. Besides, his enemies had at least spared his son (Siu Fung), so perhaps Siu Yeun San was returning the "favor" by leaving Hui Juk alone.

    Even after the death of Abbot Xuanci and Ye Er'niang, he did not go after Xu Zhu.
    Siu Yeun San had found enlightenment by that point and was no longer interested in revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Siu Yeun San had bigger fish to fry. Besides, his enemies had at least spared his son (Siu Fung), so perhaps Siu Yeun San was returning the "favor" by leaving Hui Juk alone.



    Siu Yeun San had found enlightenment by that point and was no longer interested in revenge.
    Yup, what Ken said. He wanted the punishment to be 'equal'; his son was lost to him and raised by strangers, so that's what he did to Xuanci's son as well.
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    Siu Yeun San unknowingly (or perhaps knowingly) pulled a "Mo Yung Bok": Thy Way Upon Thyself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Even though Xu Zhu was pretty crappy, he at the least actively trained in martial arts for like 20 years so has some sort of base. That must account for something.

    Duan Yu was way less clumsy by the end and that's with a year or two of experience.
    Right, XZ had more MA background. He also got personal training from TSTL which must have helped a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Wo Xing View Post
    He wanted the punishment to be 'equal'; his son was lost to him and raised by strangers, so that's what he did to Xuanci's son as well.
    I wonder why SYS didn't return the full "favor". Since his son was taught high level mainland MA by the enemy (which must have amused SYS), why didn't he do the same to Xuzhu - teach him Khitan MA. After all, they lived under the same roof for ~28 years! He can even do the "teach in secret" thing that Xuanku did with XF.
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    Xiao YuanShan said that his teacher was a Han, so I think this implies that all the high level martial arts he learned prior to hiding at Shaolin were created somewhere in the Song Dynasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackRaven View Post
    Xiao YuanShan said that his teacher was a Han, so I think this implies that all the high level martial arts he learned prior to hiding at Shaolin were created somewhere in the Song Dynasty.
    Novel also stated (3rd edition) that he was the chief military instructor for the Liao's, so that might not be the case.
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