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    How many lovers did liu xiaofeng have. What happened to them. And how do you rate them.

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    I meant lu xiaofeng

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    If I remember correctly he had at least 13 romantic (or at least lustful) interests of varying seriousness in his stories.

    Golden Roc Kingdom

    Shangguan Feiyan was cold, vicious, calculating, she also lived a double life as Shangguan Danfeng, who was the princess Lu Xiaofeng was supposed to fancy. Her real identity, Shangguan Feiyan was also busy seducing Hua Manliu and her partner-in-crime Huo Tiangqing. She was deadly with needles, managing to kill Shi Xiuyun and wound Sun Xiuqing before they could reveal vital information to Lu Xiaofeng. Her only redeeming grace was that she genuinely seemed to feel bad that Hua Manliu did not hate her at the end when her plan was foiled and it was obvious she never fancied him. Lu Xiaofeng likes her enough to try and save her life, but unfortunately Huo Xiu took no chances and silenced her despite their best efforts. I'd rate her an 8 for a villain, but as a lover probably only a 6 or so. They never really had any real meaningful time together save for that last scene.

    Embroidery Bandit

    In the second story, Lu Xiaofeng partners with Xue Bing to find the identity of the Embroidery Bandit. Xue Bing was intelligent, cool, beautiful, fun, and importantly, a loyal friend to Lu. They have some great comedy scenes together, and I think Lu genuinely liked her. Sadly, she is captured by Jin Jiuling and presumably murdered. That we never even find her body makes it all the more tragic, but there was no reason to doubt Jin Jiuling's confession of her death at the end. I'd rate her a 9 as a female protagonist. She was really likeable.

    Gongsun Daniang also has a fair number of flirty scenes with Lu Xiaofeng, but I don't think they really had anything for each other other than a trusting friendship. Sadly she is killed in Book 3 by Ye Gucheng, and Lu Xiaofeng is genuinely sad to lose another friend.

    The Duel

    For the Duel, Ouyang Qing, who appears in the Embroidery Bandit, takes the role of the female lead. Apparently smitten with Lu Xiaofeng during their (rather delightful) exchange in book two, she travels all the way to Beijing to warn him regarding some information she overheard while working in her brothel. The villains try to silence her but she survives the assassination attempt, and recovers. She doesn't recover in time to attend the duel, but has several scenes discussing relationships with Sun Xiuqing (who married Ximen Chuixue), and her wit and charm are a good counter to Lu Xiaofeng's own humour. I'd rate her as an 8, simply because her scenes weren't quite as fun as those of Xue Bing, but I'm sure she would have more than held her own against Lu if they had witty scenes together.

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    Poor Ouyang Qing is written off at the start of the novel as "retreated somewhere to recover from her injuries" while Lu Xiaofeng starts a new adventure and encounters no less than four femme fatales. The first is Fang Yuxiang - the "living ice mountain". The wife of Bluebeard, she, her brother Fang Yufei, and her husband are the ones who send Lu Xiaofeng off on his mission to recover the Black Steel Symbol. She appears later in the novel to attack Ding Xiangyi, and it's obvious by then that she's not as simple as she seems. At the end, she's revealed as one of the antagonists - Bluebeard isn't really her husband, and Fang Yufei, the main antagonist, is actually her lover rather than brother. Her death is rather poignant, though - when Lu Xiaofeng reveals how Fang Yufei had betrayed her love, she takes a poisoned handkerchief (the one she used to poison Bluebeard by wiping his cup), and commits suicide by drying her tears. Her last request to a genuinely sad Lu Xiaofeng was that he promise that he would kill Fang Yufei, which he promises. As a flirt interest she's only a 5 or so since they don't really flirt much, but as a character she's probably an 8 or so. Her death (and that of the other girls in the novel) made me hate Fang Yufei so much you could imagine how Lu Xiaofeng would ensure that he dies.

    Ding Xiangyi is the second femme fatale - skilled with darts, she hops onto Lu Xiaofeng's carriage on the pretext of trying to hide from people who are after her, and she seduces him with her charm along the way. She helps Lu Xiaofeng out along the way, and even saves his life when the enemy holds several girls hostage, knowing that Lu Xiaofeng would not attack and endanger innocent girls. Ding Xiangyi kills the girls (who even Lu Xiaofeng knew were doomed, but he just couldn't bring himself to actively do anything which would hasten their death) with her darts, allowing Lu Xiaofeng to attack the enemy and kill them. Fang Yuxiang appears and the girls (who obviously know each other, meaning that Ding was in some way part of the plot involving Lu Xiaofeng) fight each other, and Ding runs away, only to be captured by Bluebeard. The next time Lu Xiaofeng sees her, her arms and legs have been crippled, and she's lost all hope in life. Lu Xiaofeng forgives her, and assures her that she's still his friend as she had fought beside him and saved his life. She begs that he show her the Black Steel Symbol when he gets it, so she can see with her own eyes what it was that brought her to such a sorry end. Later on, Lu brings it to her, and she sees it, then dies peacefully. As a lover and partner, I really liked Ding, and would rate her an 8. She's not really a villain, but character-wise she was memorable, so I'll rate her 8 as well.

    The other two femme fatales, Chen Jingjing and Chu Chu have much smaller roles. Chen Jingjing's role is so small I can't even remember where she fit into the plot, but it was her relationship with Fang Yufei which made Fang Yuxiang commit suicide. Chu Chu was little more than a henchwoman sent to work for Lu Xiaofeng by Bluebeard, and she was beautiful, competent, and more than a little witty. The way she led Lu Xiaofeng on pretending that he could sleep with her, and then left him high and dry, was the most delightful scene in the novel. Sadly, she didn't seem to have any real feelings for anyone, and eventually she is killed by her fellow henchman when she stabs him with a blade rather than retreat with him when their plan is foiled, and he decides to embrace her with his dying breath. As a villain her role is quite small, but the character was fun, so I'll rate her a 7. I can't remember enough about Chen Jingjing to give any rating.

    Phantom Mansion

    In Phantom Mansion he has three romantic interests - Flower Widow, Ye Xue and Ye Ling. I only watched the adaptation without reading the novel, so I can't really tell what the characters were like (apparently there were some liberties with the Phantom Mansion arc which TVB produced)

    I never read Phoenix Dancing in the Nine Heavens and Smile of the Sword God either, but from the adaptations I know that his romantic interests were Sha Man and Beef Soup. I'll let other people handle these two ladies as I know nothing about them. Beef Soup appeared in Alex Man's TVB serial, but that script was nothing like the real novels.

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    in phoenix flying in 9 heavens, he has a sexual encounter with beefsoup while traveling on the ship. later he finds out her real identity and they become enemies. sha man becomes his lovers while on the island and she helps his defeat gongjiu. they end up in the end. beefsoups character changes from the fist part to when she reveals her real self. but she was one of the more interesting female villains to appear. an 9 as a villain and a 6 as a lover. sha man was clever and surprising and she was a great character, with great background story and development. she takes a 10 as a lover and and 9 for a character. there was xiao yu was funny and surprising, there was flirting but she was a young character so nothing happened between lu xiaofeng and her, a 4 as a lover, a 6 as a character.
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    One of the things I like the most about the Luk Siu Fung character (at least from the novels; some of the adaptations are different) is that he, almost uniquely among wuxia protagonists (with the possible exception of Jin Yong's Wai Siu Bo), has a healthy, "easy come, easy go" attitude towards his romantic relationships. Over the course of the LUK SIU FUNG stories, Luk has romantic relationships with a number of women...some of whom are killed by his enemies, and others who betray him (or both). For most other wuxia protagonists, even *one* such incident would be a deeply traumatic, life-altering incident that would cause the character to mope and brood for years or even decades (if, indeed, they don't kill themselves first). Luk Siu Fung is unique and extraordinary in that even though such things happen in his relationships multiple times, he doesn't mope, brood, or experience life-altering, permanent personality changes for the worse as a result. He has his private moment of grief (usually brief), gets over it, and is very soon no worse for the wear with his sense of humor, enjoyment of adventure, and lust for life intact. Among wuxia protagonists, he (and his buddy Fa Mun Lau) is the ultimate optimist. As such, he is really breath of fresh air compared to most other wuxia protagonists (both male and female), who tend to fall apart emotionally when their romantic relationships go sour. Even modern people in the real world seldom handle this with the grace that Luk Siu Fung does, and I really admire it and wish to emulate it.

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    I think Xue Bing's death would have affected him fairly deeply, but the novel ends shortly after he finds out that she is dead, and so we don't really get to see his private grief. None of the other girls that I read of really affected him deeply. He was more angry than heartbroken when Fang Yuxiang and Shangguan Feiyan died. Ding Xiangyi probably hurt him most after Xue Bing, but by then she was already crippled, and Lu Xiaofeng had already half expected her to die anyway. He would probably have been quite upset if Ouyang Qing died too, but she doesn't.

    I think it's not so much that he gets over it easily, it's just that as each short story ends tragically, he doesn't carry his grief into the next novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Liew View Post
    I think Xue Bing's death would have affected him fairly deeply, but the novel ends shortly after he finds out that she is dead, and so we don't really get to see his private grief. None of the other girls that I read of really affected him deeply. He was more angry than heartbroken when Fang Yuxiang and Shangguan Feiyan died. Ding Xiangyi probably hurt him most after Xue Bing, but by then she was already crippled, and Lu Xiaofeng had already half expected her to die anyway. He would probably have been quite upset if Ouyang Qing died too, but she doesn't.

    I think it's not so much that he gets over it easily, it's just that as each short story ends tragically, he doesn't carry his grief into the next novel.
    To me, that's a sign that Luk Siu Fung copes with loss well. It's not that he's some inhuman machine that doesn't feel loss, but he possesses extraordinary wisdom and self-control and doesn't let it overwhelm his life. Things that cause most other wuxia heroes to mope for years and decades, he seems to take in stride. It's not something easy to do, but I find it highly admirable.

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    dunno why he irks me.... maybe because he is a womanizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    To me, that's a sign that Luk Siu Fung copes with loss well. It's not that he's some inhuman machine that doesn't feel loss, but he possesses extraordinary wisdom and self-control and doesn't let it overwhelm his life. Things that cause most other wuxia heroes to mope for years and decades, he seems to take in stride. It's not something easy to do, but I find it highly admirable.
    Agreed. It's the heroes that pine and mope over someone that don't get over it -- immerse yourself into adventure, allow insanely attractive women into your life, and you will probably have a much better time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Agreed. It's the heroes that pine and mope over someone that don't get over it -- immerse yourself into adventure, allow insanely attractive women into your life, and you will probably have a much better time.
    Luk Siu Fung mastered what the ancient Romans called carpe diem and what teenagers today call "YOLO." I wish I were half as good at it as he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Luk Siu Fung mastered what the ancient Romans called carpe diem and what teenagers today call "YOLO." I wish I were half as good as it as he is.
    Yolo bro, yolo. All it takes is one crazy night/girl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Agreed. It's the heroes that pine and mope over someone that don't get over it --
    That's pretty much *all* of them *except* for Luk Siu Fung. He really is unique in that regard. Little wonder that he might be the happiest wuxia protagonist overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    That's pretty much *all* of them *except* for Luk Siu Fung. He really is unique in that regard. Little wonder that he might be the happiest wuxia protagonist overall.
    Piners and mopers only work in fiction unfortunately. Miraculously the girl comes back 16 years later, or she admits she loves you after 20 years of being married to another guy, but in real life that just doesn't happen. Lu is a smart man to realize that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tape View Post
    Piners and mopers only work in fiction unfortunately. Miraculously the girl comes back 16 years later, or she admits she loves you after 20 years of being married to another guy, but in real life that just doesn't happen. Lu is a smart man to realize that.
    In that regard, at least, Luk Siu Fung is the only wuxia character I consider a good role model for modern men.

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