Xie Xun had a pretty high and lofty position in the Ming Cult as one of the Four Guardians. Also, Yang Dingtian also thought well enough of him to make him the succeeding cult leader in his will, should anything happen to him. My only problem was that Xie Xun's martial arts seemed very weak to merit such a high position in the cult. He was badly beaten by Cheng Kun every time and couldn't defend or avenge his family. He had to steal and master the Seven Harms Fist manual from Kongtong Sect to be a formidable and feared martial arts. So was his martial arts before that really trash?