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    Default How much did the Ming Cult deserve its bad reputation in wulin?

    Until Cheung Mo Gei became the Cult Leader and led the Ming Cult through several major acts of heroism, the Ming Cult's reputation in wulin was terrible. It's true that many of its members weren't angels. Yeung Siu committed what amounted to date rape on Gei Hiu Fu. Wai 1 Siu sucked people's blood dry. Yan Teen Jing could be quite ruthless in directing his children and Heavenly Eagle Sect minions in pursuing the Dragon Sabre. That said, they were not necessarily worse than some of the members of mainstream wulin sects such as Ngor Mei Sect, Kunlun Sect, and even Shaolin, who did equally despicable if not worse things. Did the Ming Cult overall deserve its bad reputation pre-Cheung Mo Gei?

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    It could be a "perception" problem. For China Ming Cult is afterall a "foreign" subsidiary/sect. Coupled with E-mei's (respectful sect due to Guo lineage) opposition, China Ming Cult has to face a bad reputation.

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    Cheng Kun also did a lot to widen the rift between the Ming Cult & Shaolin. I wonder what the Ming Cult's rep was like before CK started his shenanigans.

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    I'm under the impression that Ming Cult operates rather stealthily, i.e. indeed like a cult, and they typically try not to clash with the orthodox sects. Most of their beef is probably with the government, which is not really well liked by wulin either. Most conflicts they have with the orthodox sect are personal grudges. The fight between Yang Dingtian and the 3 monks was probably arranged by Cheng Kun. I don't think there was an overt conflict between Ming Cult and Shaolin. The conflict with Er Mei was completely personal when Yang Xiao defeated Mie Jue's martial art brother fare and square. Wei Yixiao didn't even go into Central Plains for his deeds and most people had never even met him. Xie Xun did kill a lot of people but only one of them was from a major sect (Kong Jian). There are a few other incidents here and there (Ji Xiaofu, Yu Dainan) but they should not be big enough to cause an all-war. So the major sects didn't really like Ming Cult, mainly because of the urban legends, but probably still accepted them as part of the whole wulin, like yin and yang, orthodox and unorthodox etc. In a very typical wulin's way of life, their existence validates the mainstream sects as the (mostly self-proclaimed) "righteous" sects. So in the end, the all-out war against them was just an accumulation of all the personal grudges from the sect leaders, some of which are even self-serving like the one the Huashan leader had against Hu Qingniu.

    Now, while their bad reputation was partly made up, Ming Cult, up to that point, didn't really have a good reputation either. What Zhang Wuji did for them when he turned all of them into resistance fighters against the the Yuan army was still very significant in bringing them back to the good side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    Cheng Kun also did a lot to widen the rift between the Ming Cult & Shaolin. I wonder what the Ming Cult's rep was like before CK started his shenanigans.
    Probably already beyond repair, considering Yang Xiao blinded the Du monk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyoyatika View Post
    Probably already beyond repair, considering Yang Xiao blinded the Du monk.
    But fights like this happen all the time in Wulin, even between the righteous sects. He Zudao went to Shaolin and humiliated them and yet there wasnt much animosity between Shaolin and Kunlun. It's the essence of Wulin. If you're gonna make a name for yourself, like Yang Dingtian did, you sure as hell gonna hurt a few other guys along the way. Remember how it is said that people who had fought Zhang Sanfeng were already dead. Considering Zhang Sanfeng was a pretty old guy himself, I'm sure those guys he beat up didn't all die because of old age.

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    Didn't the monk later confirm that it was Cheng Kun who caused the dispute between him and Yang Dingtian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandred Skavenslayer View Post
    Didn't the monk later confirm that it was Cheng Kun who caused the dispute between him and Yang Dingtian?
    Yes, he recalled that Cheng Kun was the "facilitator" of the fight. He probably made up a few stories, twisted a few words on both sides and caused the rift. You know, like how Xiao Feng almost killed Duan Zhengchun.

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