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    In this battle, post-16 YG comes equipped with Heavy Iron Sword and has not united with Xialongnu.
    DFBB is at her peak, no distractions.

    How would the battle go and who will be victorious at the end?
    Please include the strategy used and number of stances the victor needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeilongZ View Post
    In this battle, post-16 YG comes equipped with Heavy Iron Sword and has not united with Xialongnu.
    DFBB is at her peak, no distractions.

    How would the battle go and who will be victorious at the end?
    Please include the strategy used and number of stances the victor needs.
    With HIS I think the chance is 50:50..

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    It really is 50/50 and depends on who lands the first blow. While I see any CONDOR HEROES TRILOGY Great being no worse than equal to Dung Fung But Bai in terms of raw power, DFBB's insane speed makes him a very difficult adversary to deal with.

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    DFBB would own this fight. YG's handicap makes him vulnerable against formations or an opponent who can attack from different positions. ZBT showed this with his left-right technique. Similarly, DFBB can utilize his speed to attack YG from many different postions, almost simultaneously. Also, DFBB can just float to YG's right side and attack him from there. Against DFBB'S needles, YG's HIS will be useless as their weapons will never come into direct contact. At some point, YG will realize this and abandone all his stances. Instead, he will carry out the final boss move in his Sad Palms, which uses his whole body as a weapon, and lunge at DFBB. At this point, I'd give YG a 30% chance of winning. Chances are DFBB will dodge this and pin 2 needles into his eyes.

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    To EdenResident:
    Yang Guo was having some trouble with ZBT left and right techniques at the beginning of their duel.
    Once YG releases Sad Palms, ZBT was put into a mostly defensive mode.

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    As for YG against DFBB's speed, Jing Yong emphasized that sheer power/force could overcome speed.
    For example, Jinlun Fawang vs Xiaolongnu. Power vs speed.
    Jing Yong emphasized that if Fawang uses sheer power, he would overcome Xiaolongnu (speed).

    I cannot imagine post-16 YG with HIS and full-powered Sad Palms, who I firmly believe, had entered or at the wooden sword stage would lose to DFBB, which is similar to wooden sword stage DGKB losing to DFBB.
    With the power and ingenuity of the HIS techniques and unpredictableness of Sad Palms, I think DFBB will be defeated and her title of undefeated will be no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeilongZ View Post
    As for YG against DFBB's speed, Jing Yong emphasized that sheer power/force could overcome speed.
    For example, Jinlun Fawang vs Xiaolongnu. Power vs speed.
    Jing Yong emphasized that if Fawang uses sheer power, he would overcome Xiaolongnu (speed).

    I cannot imagine post-16 YG with HIS and full-powered Sad Palms, who I firmly believe, had entered or at the wooden sword stage would lose to DFBB, which is similar to wooden sword stage DGKB losing to DFBB.
    With the power and ingenuity of the HIS techniques and unpredictableness of Sad Palms, I think DFBB will be defeated and her title of undefeated will be no more.
    The biggest problem is the assumption that Yeung Gor was anywhere near Wooden Sword Stage by the end of ROCH. During his final fight against the Golden Wheel Monk, Yeung Gor briefly used an ordinary sword to fight the monk, and was shocked and dismayed when the monk was able to break the sword. At this point, Sad Palms was Yeung Gor's best technique, not any sword technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FeilongZ View Post
    As for YG against DFBB's speed, Jing Yong emphasized that sheer power/force could overcome speed.
    For example, Jinlun Fawang vs Xiaolongnu. Power vs speed.
    Jing Yong emphasized that if Fawang uses sheer power, he would overcome Xiaolongnu (speed).

    I cannot imagine post-16 YG with HIS and full-powered Sad Palms, who I firmly believe, had entered or at the wooden sword stage would lose to DFBB, which is similar to wooden sword stage DGKB losing to DFBB.
    With the power and ingenuity of the HIS techniques and unpredictableness of Sad Palms, I think DFBB will be defeated and her title of undefeated will be no more.
    Yang Guo never progressed to the wooden sword stage. He's not a swordsman. Pre-16, he used the HIS to temporarily bridge his level with the Greats' because at that point, his inner power was not yet at Great's level. Without the HIS, he would lose to QQR. However, once he reached Great's level, ie., post 16 years, he no longer used the HIS, or any sword for that matter. There was absolutely no evidence that he would use a sword, much less a wooden sword, in a serious fight. He went back to his strength, which was sophisticated Great's level palm arts powered by Great level's internals.

    DFBB's inner power is no joke. He used a freaking needle to block LHC's sword effortlessly. I believe, DFBB's inner power is at least at 65 level, if not near Greats'. You can use power to overcome speed but when that speed has comparable power, then it won't be so sure anymore and will probably come down to techniques. Again, I have to stress that because of his lost arm, YG's very vulnerable against multiple point attacks. DFBB is basically that. If he can fly around attacking 4 quality opponents at the same time, he can do that against YG. He's like a one-man formation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenResident View Post
    Yang Guo never progressed to the wooden sword stage. He's not a swordsman. Pre-16, he used the HIS to temporarily bridge his level with the Greats' because at that point, his inner power was not yet at Great's level. Without the HIS, he would lose to QQR. However, once he reached Great's level, ie., post 16 years, he no longer used the HIS, or any sword for that matter. There was absolutely no evidence that he would use a sword, much less a wooden sword, in a serious fight. He went back to his strength, which was sophisticated Great's level palm arts powered by Great level's internals.

    DFBB's inner power is no joke. He used a freaking needle to block LHC's sword effortlessly. I believe, DFBB's inner power is at least at 65 level, if not near Greats'. You can use power to overcome speed but when that speed has comparable power, then it won't be so sure anymore and will probably come down to techniques. Again, I have to stress that because of his lost arm, YG's very vulnerable against multiple point attacks. DFBB is basically that. If he can fly around attacking 4 quality opponents at the same time, he can do that against YG. He's like a one-man formation.
    Well DFBB could strike multiple opponents simultaneously it's due the fact his opponents far below him/her level but I highly doubt he could do it against single powerful opponent like YG also I think YG not that "dumb" he would fight defensively just like when he fought ZBT which ZBT couldn't "penetrate" his defense..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenResident View Post
    DFBB would own this fight. YG's handicap makes him vulnerable against formations or an opponent who can attack from different positions. ZBT showed this with his left-right technique. Similarly, DFBB can utilize his speed to attack YG from many different postions, almost simultaneously. Also, DFBB can just float to YG's right side and attack him from there. Against DFBB'S needles, YG's HIS will be useless as their weapons will never come into direct contact. At some point, YG will realize this and abandone all his stances. Instead, he will carry out the final boss move in his Sad Palms, which uses his whole body as a weapon, and lunge at DFBB. At this point, I'd give YG a 30% chance of winning. Chances are DFBB will dodge this and pin 2 needles into his eyes.
    If DFBB attack YG right side he would die or injury by YG right sleeve since his sleeve even could strike back one of JLFW wheel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenResident View Post
    Yang Guo never progressed to the wooden sword stage. He's not a swordsman. Pre-16, he used the HIS to temporarily bridge his level with the Greats' because at that point, his inner power was not yet at Great's level. Without the HIS, he would lose to QQR. However, once he reached Great's level, ie., post 16 years, he no longer used the HIS, or any sword for that matter. There was absolutely no evidence that he would use a sword, much less a wooden sword, in a serious fight. He went back to his strength, which was sophisticated Great's level palm arts powered by Great level's internals.
    I think Jin Yong himself once remarked that between Yeung Gor and Ling Wu Chung, Ling Wu Chung was decidedly the better swordsman (and it wasn't even close). As an overall martial artist, Yeung Gor is better, but in terms of sword only...yeah, he's very good, but not super great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    I think Jin Yong himself once remarked that between Yeung Gor and Ling Wu Chung, Ling Wu Chung was decidedly the better swordsman (and it wasn't even close). As an overall martial artist, Yeung Gor is better, but in terms of sword only...yeah, he's very good, but not super great.
    TBH I never believe YG < LHC in terms of swordplay since the strongest swordsman LHC ever fought is Chongxu and YG swormanship at least as good as Chongxu even better IMHO except we believe Chongxu Tai Chi sword better than HIS/wooden sword technique and philosophy Jade Maiden sword technique Quanzhen sword technique and Jade Flute Sword technique..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    TBH I never believe YG < LHC in terms of swordplay since the strongest swordsman LHC ever fought is Chongxu and YG swormanship at least as good as Chongxu even better IMHO except we believe Chongxu Tai Chi sword better than HIS/wooden sword technique and philosophy Jade Maiden sword technique Quanzhen sword technique and Jade Flute Sword technique..
    Somehow, I don't see Yeung Gor blinding nine martial arts experts with a single swordstroke the way that Ling Wu Chung did. I CAN see Yeung Gor doing it with Divine Finger Snap, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Somehow, I don't see Yeung Gor blinding nine martial arts experts with a single swordstroke the way that Ling Wu Chung did. I CAN see Yeung Gor doing it with Divine Finger Snap, however.
    But still LHC struggling against Chongxu and even YBQ and YG swordplay no worse if not even better than Chongxu/YBQ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    But still LHC struggling against Chongxu and even YBQ and YG swordplay no worse if not even better than Chongxu/YBQ..
    Had Ling Wu Chung mastered Yik Gun Ging yet at the time? If not, he still had a significant inner power deficit against Taoist Chung Hui. Ngok But Kwun, of course, was Ling Wu Chung's teacher and until the very end, Ling Wu Chung never could bring himself to strike out at full force against his teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Had Ling Wu Chung mastered Yik Gun Ging yet at the time? If not, he still had a significant inner power deficit against Taoist Chung Hui. Ngok But Kwun, of course, was Ling Wu Chung's teacher and until the very end, Ling Wu Chung never could bring himself to strike out at full force against his teacher.
    If we consider Yijin Jing it's not sword contest anymore..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    If we consider Yijin Jing it's not sword contest anymore..
    It's inevitable in wulin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    It's inevitable in wulin.
    That's mean indeed LHC sword skill not better than YG skill since we also consider his Yijin Jing though it's not LHC "basic" neigong skill very different with 9 Yang or Quanzhen which Wuji and GJ basic (default) internal method😁😁😁😁

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    To Ken and Western Eccentric:
    It doesn't matter if YG overall sword's sophiscation is less than LHC.
    Simplicity with power brings superiority.

    YG with immense internal energy and with the HIS and its techniques
    or the weird, unpredictable Sad Palms would wipe the floor with LHC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    That's mean indeed LHC sword skill not better than YG skill since we also consider his Yijin Jing though it's not LHC "basic" neigong skill very different with 9 Yang or Quanzhen which Wuji and GJ basic (default) internal method😁😁😁😁
    His epic feat of blinding nine experts with Dook Goo 9 Swords occurred before he learned Yik Gun Ging, however.

    We also shouldn't sleep on Taoist Chung Hui: he was probably the best Mo Dong Sect swordsman since Cheung 3 Fung himself.

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