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    Default Murong Bo..what exactly was his plan?

    He hid in Shaolin to learn those skills...but his dream was to restore the Yen kingdom.

    How would learning those skills help?!

    In terms of martial arts, he was already amongst the best. Besides, his dream was not to conquer the wulin, but to restore the Yen dynasty. Where was the army he had to raise?!

    If he wanted to frame and stir up the wulin, won't honing his Star Shifting Technique even more be more efficient?

    You could argue that he left it to Murong Fu, but Murong Fu was basically failing.

    Am I missing something or was Murong Bo actually not very smart when it came to trying to pursue his dream?

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    Note: Please do not say he wasn't amongst the best.

    He is likely to only lose to Duan Yu, Xu Zhu and Sweeper Monk-all who came from nowhere. The Xiaoyao Elders as well, but the Xiaoyao Elders seemingly had no agenda (at least openly) to oppose Murong Bo.

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    It wasn't much of a plan. Jin Yong wuxia has consistently shown that the path to conquering and ruling nations doesn't go through wulin. Each time a kingdom or empire rose or fell, the involvement of wulin turned out to be peripheral at best.

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    MRB hide in Shaolin not for learn martial arts but to "avoid" XYS "revenge" and Han Chinese martial artist after his lie was resolved..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    MRB hide in Shaolin not for learn martial arts but to "avoid" XYS "revenge" and Han Chinese martial artist after his lie was resolved..
    Ah, thanks. That makes sense. But during this time, it was still weird that he did not attempt to do anything to revive the Yen kingdom.

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    HE HAD NO BLOODY PLAN!

    Both MRB and MRF really had not coherent strategy except latching onto any 'make trouble for Song', 'curry favor from wulin numbers' plot point of the current chapter.

    Lame.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    HE HAD NO BLOODY PLAN!

    Both MRB and MRF really had not coherent strategy except latching onto any 'make trouble for Song', 'curry favor from wulin numbers' plot point of the current chapter.

    Lame.
    The Mo Yungs made the same mistake so many ambitious people in wuxia do: they think that martial arts and wulin actually make a big difference in the rise and fall of nations. Bottom line: they don't, at least not in the long run. Even Chinese wulin's arguably most triumphant moment against an enemy invader...when Yeung Gor killed Mongke Khan (Jin Yong wuxia universe and adaptations only; not real history), it only managed to delay the Mongol conquest of the Chinese mainland for a few more years. It didn't stop it from happening altogether. Jin Yong's choice to make his wuxia stories works of historical fiction always meant that the wulin warriors' ability to change historical outcomes of nations was very, very limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    The Mo Yungs made the same mistake so many ambitious people in wuxia do: they think that martial arts and wulin actually make a big difference in the rise and fall of nations. Bottom line: they don't, at least not in the long run. Even Chinese wulin's arguably most triumphant moment against an enemy invader...when Yeung Gor killed Mongke Khan (Jin Yong wuxia universe and adaptations only; not real history), it only managed to delay the Mongol conquest of the Chinese mainland for a few more years. It didn't stop it from happening altogether. Jin Yong's choice to make his wuxia stories works of historical fiction always meant that the wulin warriors' ability to change historical outcomes of nations was very, very limited.

    You cant use this logic.

    Because JY wanted to keep history, he inserted plot points and characters with lousy strategic decision making and luck to self fulfil his intention. e.g. Making Murong's bereft of proper strategy.

    Reasonably, if H7G was good enough to sneak around at will in the imperial palace, a skilled martial artist WILL do wonders in palace politics.

    And there are concessions to warriors making big changes to outcomes of nations (e.g. XF stopped the Song from ending before the Mongols rose, GJ holding the Mongols from taking Song for that extra few more years, diverting Mongol attention from Western Europe/Holy Roman Empire/Japan/Java earlier). Would Zhu Yuanzhuang be successful if Ming Cult had perished at Brightness Peak without 9 Yang Wunderkid?

    Basically, history turned out as it did, _because_ of the efforts of some martial artists. Not despite of.
    Last edited by CC; 10-05-21 at 02:53 AM.
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