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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Might be interesting what kind of variant he could bring to the Dragon Palms. Guo Jing made his more energy efficient, making each palm just enough to defeat each opponent. Yang Guo didn't have that Taoist training background, but he was wont to bring his own touch to everything he did, so what kind of Dragon Palms he'd have customised would be an interesting what-if.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Might be interesting what kind of variant he could bring to the Dragon Palms. Guo Jing made his more energy efficient, making each palm just enough to defeat each opponent. Yang Guo didn't have that Taoist training background, but he was wont to bring his own touch to everything he did, so what kind of Dragon Palms he'd have customised would be an interesting what-if.
    He would add more tricky moves and feints to it, maybe 10 more? And it would be called 28 Dragon Palms.

    Now back on the subject of ' would YG make it under GJ'. How about looking at it another way?

    There are so many elite fighters who learnt their crap from a bloody manual without a teacher. If the student had potential, did you really need a good teacher as long as the art was good and the teacher could recite it? As long as GJ could recite the Quanzhen formula to YG and the 9 Yin to him, he really doesnt need to 'teach' YG much at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    He would add more tricky moves and feints to it, maybe 10 more? And it would be called 28 Dragon Palms.

    Now back on the subject of ' would YG make it under GJ'. How about looking at it another way?

    There are so many elite fighters who learnt their crap from a bloody manual without a teacher. If the student had potential, did you really need a good teacher as long as the art was good and the teacher could recite it? As long as GJ could recite the Quanzhen formula to YG and the 9 Yin to him, he really doesnt need to 'teach' YG much at all.
    So is more like YG superb talent than GJ great teaching ability..

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    Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers were too untalented and subpar to be good standards by which to evaluate Gwok Jing's ability as a martial arts teacher, whereas Yeung Gor was too talented and superior. Perhaps we should examine someone in the middle, such as Yeh Lut Chai. Yeh Lut Chai's talent was far better than Gwok Fu's and the Mo Brothers', but considerably inferior to Yeung Gor's.

    Yeh Lut Chai learned the complete Hong Lung 18 Palms from his father-in-law, and by the end of ROCH, was able to defeat Fok Do in a fair fight (Fok Do had to cheat to defeat him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers were too untalented and subpar to be good standards by which to evaluate Gwok Jing's ability as a martial arts teacher, whereas Yeung Gor was too talented and superior. Perhaps we should examine someone in the middle, such as Yeh Lut Chai. Yeh Lut Chai's talent was far better than Gwok Fu's and the Mo Brothers', but considerably inferior to Yeung Gor's.

    Yeh Lut Chai learned the complete Hong Lung 18 Palms from his father-in-law, and by the end of ROCH, was able to defeat Fok Do in a fair fight (Fok Do had to cheat to defeat him).
    Yelu Qi managed to learn Quanzhen arts to a pretty high level (better than any of the 3rd gen Quanzhen disciples at the time) from limited tutelage by Zhou Botong. Although knowing ZBT, the limited time he spent with YLQ probably packed in extremely intensive training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Yelu Qi managed to learn Quanzhen arts to a pretty high level (better than any of the 3rd gen Quanzhen disciples at the time) from limited tutelage by Zhou Botong. Although knowing ZBT, the limited time he spent with YLQ probably packed in extremely intensive training.
    Yeh Lut Chai was also the last known person in wulin history to learn the complete Hong Lung 18 Palms, though he never mastered the skill to the degree that he was anywhere near contention for being a Great during his time in wulin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers were too untalented and subpar to be good standards by which to evaluate Gwok Jing's ability as a martial arts teacher, whereas Yeung Gor was too talented and superior. Perhaps we should examine someone in the middle, such as Yeh Lut Chai. Yeh Lut Chai's talent was far better than Gwok Fu's and the Mo Brothers', but considerably inferior to Yeung Gor's.

    Yeh Lut Chai learned the complete Hong Lung 18 Palms from his father-in-law, and by the end of ROCH, was able to defeat Fok Do in a fair fight (Fok Do had to cheat to defeat him).
    YLQ himself admit even if Huodu not "cheated" he would still lose to him even after learn 18 Dragon Palm I still highly doubt he could beat Huodu since Huodu didn't use his best skills when he fought YLQ during beggar meeting yet he still could "beat" YLQ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Yeh Lut Chai was also the last known person in wulin history to learn the complete Hong Lung 18 Palms, though he never mastered the skill to the degree that he was anywhere near contention for being a Great during his time in wulin.
    His mastery of 18 Dragon Palm even inferior to Shi Huolong from HSDS though Shi only learn 12 of 18 stances from 18 Dragon Palm..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    His mastery of 18 Dragon Palm even inferior to Shi Huolong from HSDS though Shi only learn 12 of 18 stances from 18 Dragon Palm..
    How could learning all eighteen palms be inferior to learning only twelve of the eighteen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    How could learning all eighteen palms be inferior to learning only twelve of the eighteen?
    Just my feeling since Shi Huolong could fought almost evenly with Cheng Kun though he died after this fight but he could injured Cheng Kun so his skills should be only one or half notch below Cheng Kun in the other hand I think "full-mastered" 18 Dragon Palm YLQ more or less equal with LOCH QCJ or even below LOCH QCJ since GJ even still inferior to OYK after he learn complete 18 Dragon Palm from H7G so YLQ logically not better than GJ at that time which inferior to OYK and far below Cheng Kun level IMHO which mean he also inferior to Shi Huolong..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    YLQ himself admit even if Huodu not "cheated" he would still lose to him even after learn 18 Dragon Palm I still highly doubt he could beat Huodu since Huodu didn't use his best skills when he fought YLQ during beggar meeting yet he still could "beat" YLQ..
    Yelu Qi lost. He wouldn't have admitted that he'd lost by any way other than fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Yelu Qi lost. He wouldn't have admitted that he'd lost by any way other than fair.
    He admitted that he still couldn't beat Huodu even in fair duel and at that time Huodu even doesn't use his best skills to fight him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    How could learning all eighteen palms be inferior to learning only twelve of the eighteen?
    Well, its not too hard to imagine XF, H7G or GJ beating the crap out of Shi or Yelu even if they only had access to 2 or 3 palms no?
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    GJ even with 18 Dragon Palm + 9 Yin + Vacant Fist + L/R Hand Skill only a bit better than QCJ or MCF so full-mastered 18 Dragon Palm YLQ logically should be around GJ level at best or even worse than GJ at that point..

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