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    Default Was Guo Jing a terrible teacher?

    Luo youjiao was sub-par.
    The Wu brothers were sub-par.

    No idea/mention of his son.
    Guo Fu was...

    Guo Xiang was the only bright spot, but it was because of 9 yang.

    Perhaps HYS was right about GJ being a dumbass (ok, kidding on this part).

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    Maybe, but Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had very little martial arts talent. Even Cheung 3 Fung couldn't have made wulin stars of those three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Maybe, but Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had very little martial arts talent. Even Cheung 3 Fung couldn't have made wulin stars of those three.
    But the Wu brothers seems a lot better when Wu Santong teach them by himself during 16 years timeskip so I think it's not only due their "talent"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    But the Wu brothers seems a lot better when Wu Santong teach them by himself during 16 years timeskip so I think it's not only due their "talent"..
    Mo 3 Tung dedicated four times more time to teaching his sons than Gwok Jing did. The brothers only trained under Gwok Jing for around four years, and started from basically nothing. By the time that Mo 3 Tung took over, the brothers already had four years of foundation from Gwok Jing, and then their dad spent sixteen more years developing their skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Mo 3 Tung dedicated four times as much time to teaching his sons than Gwok Jing did. The brothers only trained under Gwok Jing for around four years, and started from basically nothing. By the time that Mo 3 Tung took over, the brothers already had four years of foundation from Gwok Jing, and then their dad spent sixteen more years developing their skills.
    You might be right GJ only taught them basic skills perhaps mostly from 7 Freaks skills with very little of inner power training but they are seem better than GJ after 12 years of 7 Freaks training (before he learn Quanzhen inner power method from Ma Yu)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Maybe, but Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had very little martial arts talent. Even Cheung 3 Fung couldn't have made wulin stars of those three.
    Well, he didn't seem to have taught them 9yin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    Well, he didn't seem to have taught them 9yin.
    They weren't ready for that kind of advanced training, and probably never would be.

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    Yeeep the Wu brothers and GF even didn't learn Quanzhen inner power method from GJ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    They weren't ready for that kind of advanced training, and probably never would be.

    Nerfed by the plot?

    If YG was trained by GJ, I would think he wouldn't be worse off than being trained by XLN.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Nerfed by the plot?

    If YG was trained by GJ, I would think he wouldn't be worse off than being trained by XLN.
    Definitely. Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had subpar talent, but Yeung Gor was a martial arts prodigy. Five years under Gwok Jing's tutelage would have done wonders for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Definitely. Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had subpar talent, but Yeung Gor was a martial arts prodigy. Five years under Gwok Jing's tutelage would have done wonders for him.
    Would GJ even have time to train anybody? Saving the country comes first for him and his mind would be too occupied on protecting the country rather than training afew students.

    Kinda like trying to complete a project with a tight deadline and at the same time train some new apprentice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stance View Post
    Would GJ even have time to train anybody? Saving the country comes first for him and his mind would be too occupied on protecting the country rather than training afew students.

    Kinda like trying to complete a project with a tight deadline and at the same time train some new apprentice.
    That's yet another reason that Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers didn't get very far in their martial arts other than their own lack of talent: their dad/teacher was a busy man. He wasn't that busy during the first five years of ROCH, however. At the time the story began, the Mongol Empire and the Southern Sung Kingdom were temporarily in a state of coexistence, and had been since the end of LOCH. That's the reason that Gwok Jing and Wong Yung were able to enjoy a peaceful thirteen years at Peach Blossom Island. It wasn't until the time of the Heroes Conference at Luk Family Manor in Dai Sing Kwan that Gwok Jing recommitted to lead the wulin resistance against the Mongol invasion at Seung Yeung. Before that, Gwok Jing wasn't particularly busy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Nerfed by the plot?

    If YG was trained by GJ, I would think he wouldn't be worse off than being trained by XLN.
    What kind of legend would Yang Guo have become though? In the book, his character is carefree with a strong sense of justice, right from his first appearance with the Lu-Cheng cousins and Li Mochou. Xiao Longnu adds pity and tolerance to that. One would imagine that Guo Jing would rub out the latter, as well as go strongly against Yang Guo's already formed character. Yang Guo might become Yang Da Xia, but he would never become the Eagle Hero (even disregarding the Eagle he gets the name from). The Eagle Hero's legend comes from Yang Guo's character traits and those that Xiao Longnu added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Definitely. Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had subpar talent, but Yeung Gor was a martial arts prodigy. Five years under Gwok Jing's tutelage would have done wonders for him.
    It should be noted that Yang Guo underwent initial training in some Great skills but never had them hammered home. The development, including the whole of his learning 9 yin (to a level capable of holding off Zhou Botong) and Jade Maiden (to a level that Wang Chongyang never understood), was entirely from his own steam. A short while of training under Huang Yaoshi, and some years later his Tanzhi Shentong was indistinguishable from the Eastern Heretic's to extremely knowledgable eyes.

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    Yeeep to be honest no one of GJ skills "suit" YG character and persona except 9 Yin Manual..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Definitely. Gwok Fu and the Mo Brothers had subpar talent, but Yeung Gor was a martial arts prodigy. Five years under Gwok Jing's tutelage would have done wonders for him.
    YG might be become super strong under GJ guidelines but I think it's mostly due YG talent than GJ capability as a "coach"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    Yeeep to be honest no one of GJ skills "suit" YG character and persona except 9 Yin Manual..
    Dragon Palms (YG's oeuvre is based mainly on overwhelming power), Dipper formation (he understood the Peach Blossom Island formations), Vacant Fists (YG created his own similar version). Other than Mutual Hands Combat, I can't think of many arts in the Trilogy that YG wouldn't have been able to learn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Dragon Palms (YG's oeuvre is based mainly on overwhelming power), Dipper formation (he understood the Peach Blossom Island formations), Vacant Fists (YG created his own similar version). Other than Mutual Hands Combat, I can't think of many arts in the Trilogy that YG wouldn't have been able to learn.
    I never say YG couldn't learn GJ skills but these skills not suit for YG character no one of GJ skills is "tricky" or depends on sophisticated stances which I think very different with YG persona since he is similar with HYS both of them have very complicated skills..

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    Yeung Gor might have found Hong Lung 18 Palms kind of "boring," but he should be able to master it. It's not particularly complicated, and if he has enough inner power, he should be able to drive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    Yeung Gor might have found Hong Lung 18 Palms kind of "boring," but he should be able to master it. It's not particularly complicated, and if he has enough inner power, he should be able to drive it.
    Might be interesting what kind of variant he could bring to the Dragon Palms. Guo Jing made his more energy efficient, making each palm just enough to defeat each opponent. Yang Guo didn't have that Taoist training background, but he was wont to bring his own touch to everything he did, so what kind of Dragon Palms he'd have customised would be an interesting what-if.

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