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    It wasn't really spelt out by JY in the novel but lets examine some facts and timelines:

    Young teen (12-14? I cant recall) MRB = Good enough to strike 40 year-long fear in 1st class fighter. Kill them in 1 stroke.

    Young XYS (~30 yrs) = Good enough to terrify ~same age MRB. Made MRB piss his pants.

    ~60 year old XYS = MRB

    So while both were at Shaolin, MRB closed that large gap.

    Was young XYS that much more talented than MRB since he had some unknown no name teacher and he was so far ahead of MRB with his hyped Murong arts? If he was more talented, why did MRB close that large gap? If they were equally talented, how did MRB close that large gap?

    The only argument (I dont't buy it though) could be that MRB (as stated by Sweeper) 'borrowed' a lot more manuals than the couple XYS borrowed. But MRB did not have XWXG so he had to learn em the hard way, it wasn't really stated how many was mastered and even in the novel, it never seemed that learning more of the 72 arts stacks your power.

    I think JY missed an opportunity to go with the DGSD theme by letting Sweeper lecture XYS on how his hatred/revenge filled mind and subconcious knowledge of his 'stealing' Shaolin arts actually nerfed his natural development. i.e., He developed fast naturally when he was still a heroic and pro-peace Xia. Once his mind got clouded, it actually hindered him.

    We normally go by the rough approximation that 1 Xiao Feng/Yuanshan ~= 5 Xuan Monks

    At Yanmen, 1 Xuanci (pls presumably a few of his Xuan buddies) + Wang Jiantong + over 20 'Elite' fighters couldn't even put a scratch on XYS.

    1 Yanmen XYS >>>>>> 5 Yanmen Xuan Ci

    1 Old XYS only ~= 5 Old Xuan Ci

    HE NERFED HIMSELF!!!!!
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    I don't think Mo Yung Bok was ever inferior to Siu Yeun San in fighting ability. He was only terrified possibly because he had some latent cowardice (not crippling cowardice like Golden Wheel Monk, but still...) and he had not ever encountered any opponent capable of matching him, so was probably a bit off guard.

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    Well 30 years ago Yang Dingtian could easily beat Du E yet 30 years ago Wuji which far superior than Yang Dingtian "struggling" against Du E and Du Jie🤭🤭🤭🤭

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    Quote Originally Posted by Western Eccentric View Post
    Well 30 years ago Yang Dingtian could easily beat Du E yet 30 years ago Wuji which far superior than Yang Dingtian "struggling" against Du E and Du Jie🤭🤭🤭🤭
    Sori I mean 30 years later..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Cheng View Post
    I don't think Mo Yung Bok was ever inferior to Siu Yeun San in fighting ability. He was only terrified possibly because he had some latent cowardice (not crippling cowardice like Golden Wheel Monk, but still...) and he had not ever encountered any opponent capable of matching him, so was probably a bit off guard.
    You dont think? It was explicitly stated over more than 1 sentence in the 3rd edition about how he was inferior until their 3rd meeting. There is zero indication in the book about latent cowardice.

    And he was never caught off guard, he was being careful and trying to be stealthy due to being in Shaolin stealing books but XYS still managed to sneak up on him totally undetected.

    You are arguing based on your own conjectures without reading the novel, frankly, you dont have to read it to discuss in the forum, but when you argue instead of ask/clarify, its annoying.
    Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!

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    Consider how crazy this is: Mo Yung Bok was portrayed as an extraordinary prodigy, capable at the age of fifteen of defeating such veteran martial arts such as the Yellow Eyebrowed Monk, one of the best fighters in Dali Kingdom's regional wulin. Mo Yung Bok had not only his Mo Yung Family's fearsome native skills, but the skills of numerous other martial arts schools across wulin. That he could handily defeat so many masters with their own skills at that young an age quite reasonably led the young Mo Yung Bok to have an inflated ego of his martial arts abilities, and why not? His achievements were not insignificant.

    The young Siu Yeun San, by comparison, had no sophisticated martial arts technique. His kung fu teacher was unheralded...nobody famous or notable, and yet, like his son after him, Siu Yeun San had remarkable talent for taking even simple martial arts techniques and getting much more out of them than one would think possible.

    After a youth spent achieving breathtakingly easy victories against respected wulin veterans, Mo Yung Bok must have been astonished that this unknown Khitan warrior could take his best and give back as good as he got.

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    In the Jinyong universe its been stated that, once you reach an elite level in martial arts, further progress becomes extremely difficult and slow.

    I think that XYS reached a very high level when he was younger. MRB was also very strong, but not quite as strong as XYS. So during their time at Shaolin, MRB was able to improve more and close the gap between them.
    Last edited by Jdlogistics; 10-23-22 at 05:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdlogistics View Post
    In the Jinyong universe its been stated that, once you reach an elite level in martial arts, further progress becomes extremely difficult and slow.

    I think that XYS reached a very high level when he was younger. MRB was also very strong, but not quite as strong as XYS. So during their time at Shaolin, MRB was able to improve more and close the gap between them.
    Yeah that's why Guo Jing only considered slightly better than Greats even with 20+ years of 9 Yin same with Yang Guo after he reached his "peak" during 6 years ocean training he cannot climbing higher anymore..

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