9 Yin manual was created to counter Persian's Qiankun Danuoyi?

[metsrus]

I read somewhere the author of the 9 Yin Manuals was Huang Shang. He had a beef with the Ming Cult and created 9 Yin to counter the Persian martial arts, including their top martial arts style, Qiankun Danuoyi?

[Western Eccentric]

I read somewhere the author of the 9 Yin Manuals was Huang Shang. He had a beef with the Ming Cult and created 9 Yin to counter the Persian martial arts, including their top martial arts style, Qiankun Danuoyi?

The problem of this theory is no one ever fully mastered Qian Kun Shift except Wuji which mean you can only counter 6th level at best..

[Ken Cheng]

I read somewhere the author of the 9 Yin Manuals was Huang Shang. He had a beef with the Ming Cult and created 9 Yin to counter the Persian martial arts, including their top martial arts style, Qiankun Danuoyi?

Essentially, yes. The creator of the 9 Yum Jen Ging, Wong Seung, fought a number of the Ming Cult's associates (e.g. mainstream wulin people who had family and friends who were Ming Cult members and brought a variety of martial arts into the fight). Wong Seung did reasonably well against many of them, but ultimately, met defeat in the face of overwhelming odds (just too many martial arts experts to defeat). After suffering that defeat, Wong Seung compiled the 9 Yum Jen Ging to counter the assortment of martial arts that his enemies used. I actually think Wong Seung started compiling the information that would become the 9 Yum Jen Ging even *before* he got into any altercation with the Ming Cult and its associates and his defeat at their hands motivated him to dedicate himself in an all-out, forty-year effort and assembling all his data into a cohesive system.

While I don't know if Wong Seung ever directly fought a Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee user (it wouldn't be outrageous that he did, given that the Sung king ordered him to attack Gwong Ming Peak), but 9 Yum Jen Ging is well-suited to countering it. The main weakness of Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee is that it doesn't work against opponents with higher inner power, and 9 Yum Jen Ging was among the best inner power builders ever devised (not necessarily better than 9 Yeung Jen Ging, Yik Gun Ging, Qwai Fa Bo Deen, or Bak Ming Sun Gung, but still among the best).

[St3v3]

Essentially, yes. The creator of the 9 Yum Jen Ging, Wong Seung, fought a number of the Ming Cult's associates (e.g. mainstream wulin people who had family and friends who were Ming Cult members and brought a variety of martial arts into the fight). Wong Seung did reasonably well against many of them, but ultimately, met defeat in the face of overwhelming odds (just too many martial arts experts to defeat). After suffering that defeat, Wong Seung compiled the 9 Yum Jen Ging to counter the assortment of martial arts that his enemies used. I actually think Wong Seung started compiling the information that would become the 9 Yum Jen Ging even *before* he got into any altercation with the Ming Cult and its associates and his defeat at their hands motivated him to dedicate himself in an all-out, forty-year effort and assembling all his data into a cohesive system.

While I don't know if Wong Seung ever directly fought a Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee user (it wouldn't be outrageous that he did, given that the Sung king ordered him to attack Gwong Ming Peak), but 9 Yum Jen Ging is well-suited to countering it. The main weakness of Keen Kwun Dai Loi Yee is that it doesn't work against opponents with higher inner power, and 9 Yum Jen Ging was among the best inner power builders ever devised (not necessarily better than 9 Yeung Jen Ging, Yik Gun Ging, Qwai Fa Bo Deen, or Bak Ming Sun Gung, but still among the best).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiuyin_Zhenjing

This is what is written in Wikipedia

9 yin manuals has not yet proven battled against Ming Cult because all his enemies already died 40 years later

The manual is a compilation of numerous scrolls and ancient scriptures pertaining to psychic powers, healing techniques, martial arts classics and Taoist philosophy. It was compiled by Huang Shang (黃裳) on the commission of Emperor Huizong during the Song Dynasty. Huang's compendium became the first volume of the manual. During the writing process, Huang enriched himself with Taoist knowledge and the principles of inner energy and qi. When combined with Huang's intelligence, the knowledge he acquired during the compilation turned him into a formidable martial artist.

Soon after, the emperor appointed Huang to lead an army to eradicate the Ming Cult, a martial arts school of Persian origin that had been involved in many anti-government activities. The Song army engaged the cult in a fierce battle but failed to capture the enemy's fortress. Huang fought with the cult's best fighters one-on-one and slew every single one of them until he was forced to retreat due to exhaustion. In retaliation, the Ming Cult dispatched the best of its surviving warriors to kill Huang's family.

Huang was enraged and he vowed to destroy the cult. For the next four decades, Huang dedicated himself to experimenting with new techniques to counter those of the Ming Cult's martial arts. As many of the cult's members were affiliated to other schools, Huang had to develop new techniques that were capable of countering the other schools' martial arts as well.

Huang succeeded in accomplishing his herculean task but his enemies had died during those four decades. Huang wrote the second volume of the manual, detailing his experiences and the new techniques he had developed and innovated during his 40 years of research.[1] Earlier edition of The Legend of the Condor Heroes has the creator being Bodhidharma.

[EdenResident]

Why would Huang Shang go into retreat to invent counter-Ming Cult arts, when he was already way above the level of their best fighters? Why couldn't he just go after those surviving warriors, whose skills are surely even below those of the ones Huang already killed, and kill them one by one?

Did he mean to invent something that can deal with a mass of decent (but not elite) fighters, ala XF at Juxian Manor?

Something doesn't make sense. We know that Chinese Ming Cult didn't have any elite fighters, considering that Yang Dingtian achieved the highest level of QKDNY in their history (pre-ZWJ) and even YDT was at best a LOCH Great. Why would HS spend 40 years in recluse to invent something to beat essentially scrubs? (remember that Ming Cult's best fighters already died at his hand)

[ArthurEdwards]

hahahaha...

[PJ]

Why would Huang Shang go into retreat to invent counter-Ming Cult arts, when he was already way above the level of their best fighters? Why couldn't he just go after those surviving warriors, whose skills are surely even below those of the ones Huang already killed, and kill them one by one?

Did he mean to invent something that can deal with a mass of decent (but not elite) fighters, ala XF at Juxian Manor?

Something doesn't make sense. We know that Chinese Ming Cult didn't have any elite fighters, considering that Yang Dingtian achieved the highest level of QKDNY in their history (pre-ZWJ) and even YDT was at best a LOCH Great. Why would HS spend 40 years in recluse to invent something to beat essentially scrubs? (remember that Ming Cult's best fighters already died at his hand)

Huang Shang was probably concerned they might find a way to gang up on him again and wanted to invent a MA that would defeat the entire group just in case.

[DavidCarey]

Wow, thanks for the info.

[Brainsuker]

I read somewhere the author of the 9 Yin Manuals was Huang Shang. He had a beef with the Ming Cult and created 9 Yin to counter the Persian martial arts, including their top martial arts style, Qiankun Danuoyi?

If so, then the final HSDS battle between Zhang Wuji and Zhou Jirou should be a delayed battle that should happen between Huang Shan and the Ming Cult of his era.

[sleeFletcher]

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[St3v3]

If so, then the final HSDS battle between Zhang Wuji and Zhou Jirou should be a delayed battle that should happen between Huang Shan and the Ming Cult of his era.

I don't think ZWJ used QKDNY against ZZR.