Wu Yazi / Tianshan Tonglou vs Qiao Feng

[Brainsuker]

I don't know if this versus thread has been made. But I wonder, who is stronger. Wu Ya Zi, the leader of Xiaoyao Sect, or Qiao Feng. Then, we can also ask the question, what about Tianshan Tonglou vs Qiao Feng.

The reason is simple, Jin Yong seems glorified Qiao Feng a lot in his novel, but he also hyped Wu Ya Zi and Tianshan Tonglou. The problem is, that they never met nor fight in the story.

[Ken Cheng]

I think the Siu Yiu Sect Elders are one notch higher than the class of fighter that includes Kiu Fung, Siu Yeun San, Mo Yung Bok, and Kau Mor Tze. The difference isn't tremendous (any two of the Kiu Fung-class together would have no trouble defeating one single Elder), but one on one, the Elders would have the upper hand. Their advantage might be somewhat offset by their great age, injuries, etc., but in absolute value terms, the Elders are slightly superior.

[Western Eccentric]

Well if Wuyazi really that strong then why he so "afraid" to Ding Chunqiu while Xiao Feng he would easily kill Ding Chunqiu within 5 stances..

[Ken Cheng]

Well if Wuyazi really that strong then why he so "afraid" to Ding Chunqiu while Xiao Feng he would easily kill Ding Chunqiu within 5 stances..

By all rights, that didn't make sense. Mo Ngai Tze should be at least six or seven times more powerful than Ding Chun Chou. My only guess is that his paralysis made him vulnerable, regardless of his vast inner power reserves. As Sensei Terry Silver might say, "A man can't move, he can't fight."

[Ken Cheng]

I'm also not sure Kiu Fung could take Ding Chun Chou in just five stances. Ding wasn't a pushover. He was around the same level as Deun Yin Hing (roughly 1/4 Kiu Fung's level). I think it will go around ten stances.

[PJ]

My only guess is that his paralysis made him vulnerable, regardless of his vast inner power reserves.

What's interesting is Duan Yanqing reinvented himself after worse than paralysis, while Wuyazi wasted his life. The difference? Duan had a goddess to look up to, while the Xiaoyao saint had a secret crush that wasn't very honorable. The power of idol is great.

[Ken Cheng]

What's interesting is Duan Yanqing reinvented himself after worse than paralysis, while Wuyazi wasted his life. The difference? Duan had a goddess to look up to, while the Xiaoyao saint had a secret crush that wasn't very honorable. The power of idol is great.

I don't think Deun Yin Hing's physical injuries were as bad as Mo Ngai Tze's (psychological damage is a whole separate matter). DYH at least retained some mobility, albeit impaired (needed crutches and a cane). Mo Ngai Tze, from what I understand, was paraplegic.

Beyond that, I think Deun Yin Hing was fueled by hate and his desire to reclaim the throne of Dali. Mo Ngai Tze felt no such hate (to drive him) and was unambitious.

[Western Eccentric]

I don't think Deun Yin Hing's physical injuries were as bad as Mo Ngai Tze's (psychological damage is a whole separate matter). DYH at least retained some mobility, albeit impaired (needed crutches and a cane). Mo Ngai Tze, from what I understand, was paraplegic.

Beyond that, I think Deun Yin Hing was fueled by hate and his desire to reclaim the throne of Dali. Mo Ngai Tze felt no such hate (to drive him) and was unambitious.

Then what about Qiu Qianchi aka Mrs Gongsun she is still powerful enough to give Yang Guo and Huang Rong a lot of trouble and she is even could blinded one of Gongsun Zhi eye while "paralyzed"..

[Ken Cheng]

Then what about Qiu Qianchi aka Mrs Gongsun she is still powerful enough to give Yang Guo and Huang Rong a lot of trouble and she is even could blinded one of Gongsun Zhi eye while "paralyzed"..

She had that unique "mouth missile" skill with which she could project olive pits like bullets (but that was pretty much all she had). Mo Ngai Tze didn't train in any such skill.

[Western Eccentric]

I'm also not sure Kiu Fung could take Ding Chun Chou in just five stances. Ding wasn't a pushover. He was around the same level as Deun Yin Hing (roughly 1/4 Kiu Fung's level). I think it will go around ten stances.

Well during Shaolin event Xiao Feng proven himself that he could beat and even kill Ding Chunqiu (if he want) in only 3 stances also Xiao Feng could beat Xuannan in 1 stance during You Manor battle which describes by JY Xuannan pure skills is better than Ding Chunqiu so logically Ding Chunqiu can't stand more than 5 stances against Xiao Feng..

[Ken Cheng]

Well during Shaolin event Xiao Feng proven himself that he could beat and even kill Ding Chunqiu (if he want) in only 3 stances also Xiao Feng could beat Xuannan in 1 stance during You Manor battle which describes by JY Xuannan pure skills is better than Ding Chunqiu so logically Ding Chunqiu can't stand more than 5 stances against Xiao Feng..

Wuxia is full of crazy inconsistencies like that. Towards the end of LOCH, young Gwok Jing (age twenty) simultaneously held off West Poison Au Yeung Fung, Kau Cheen Yan, and Chow Bak Tung AT THE SAME TIME. We know that at the time, he was barely 70% as good as each of those guys individually, but he somehow managed to hold off all three at once. Don't expect him to be able to do it again, though.

[Western Eccentric]

Wuxia is full of crazy inconsistencies like that. Towards the end of LOCH, young Gwok Jing (age twenty) simultaneously held off West Poison Au Yeung Fung, Kau Cheen Yan, and Chow Bak Tung AT THE SAME TIME. We know that at the time, he was barely 70% as good as each of those guys individually, but he somehow managed to hold off all three at once. Don't expect him to be able to do it again, though.

For Xiao Feng case is not inconsistentcy at all since the novel itself give us some of the "proof" also Xiao Feng peers like Jiumozhi and Xiao Yuanshan can do it too which mean Xiao Feng (and his peers) was indeed could easily beat/kill Ding Chunqiu/Xuannan/Murong Fu level fighter less than 5 stances..

[St3v3]

Wu ya zi is already very old and paralysed that is why it is very dangerous for him to go near digqunciu who is expert in poison. I think it is normal that no matter how strong one person, there is always a weaknesses and DCQ knows it best.

We can also relate with ZSF weaknesses, a very soft heart so he can got hurt by fake monk, ZWJ with ZZR.
Another comparison is mighty QF got cheated to kill A zhu

[Western Eccentric]

Wu ya zi is already very old and paralysed that is why it is very dangerous for him to go near digqunciu who is expert in poison. I think it is normal that no matter how strong one person, there is always a weaknesses and DCQ knows it best.

We can also relate with ZSF weaknesses, a very soft heart so he can got hurt by fake monk, ZWJ with ZZR.
Another comparison is mighty QF got cheated to kill A zhu

Well people at Xiao Feng level or higher can easily strike opponents with powerful attack from a far so you don't need to get yourself near to your target to hit them except you can't do it..

[St3v3]

Well people at Xiao Feng level or higher can easily strike opponents with powerful attack from a far so you don't need to get yourself near to your target to hit them except you can't do it..

Yes sure, if only people like XF aware there is someone who wants to do harmed at him.
Some poison expert could also kill hisn opponent with a lot of method without getting near with his target.
As comparison, even modern radar working 24/7 is not really capable to detect submarine or stealth aircraft. So i doubt the ability of paralysed wu ya zi could protect him 24/7.