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    Quote Originally Posted by jSMl2046 View Post
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    Hello,Ken ,is this guy Stephen chow?

    He have start in movies god of gambler 3 with Ray Lui as DIng lik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elaine lopez View Post
    Hello,Ken ,is this guy Stephen chow?
    I don't think so. This dude looks a little like Stephen Chow, but when you see the entire sequence, it's not him.

    Moreover, THE BUND was made three years before Stephen Chow joined TVB. The first appearance of Stephen Chow that I know of was as a Sung soldier in LOCH '82.

    He have start in movies god of gambler 3 with Ray Lui as DIng lik.
    It was indeed one of Stephen's earliest films, although not his very first. I liked this one. Ray Lui was great reprising his role as Ding Lik.

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    Old publicity photo I've never seen before, but very cool: Boss Fung and his two stalwart enforcers, Hui Mun Keung and Ding Lik.

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    Just watched the last ep of Bund 1. Wondering when will happen if Hui did not die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Just watched the last ep of Bund 1. Wondering when will happen if Hui did not die.
    Had Hui Mun Keung survived, he would have pursued Fung Ching Ching to France. I'm not sure what circumstances would have compelled him to remain in/return to Shanghai to continue his underworld activities with Ding Lik.

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    Does Ding Lik have any ambition to be the "king" of shanghai warlords? It seems that he is always willing to be the second man to Hui. So is he just waiting for the opportunity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Does Ding Lik have any ambition to be the "king" of shanghai warlords? It seems that he is always willing to be the second man to Hui. So is he just waiting for the opportunity?
    Oh, heck yeah. The young Ding Lik was *very* ambitious. His goal when he was young was to become the equivalent to, if not surpass, Fung Ging Yiu.

    Hui Mun Keung sensed this would be a problem, and offered this observation to Ding Lik during their last discussion shortly before Hui's death. Hui Mun Keung was planning to leave Shanghai to seek out Ching Ching in France anyway, but he knew that Ding Lik would object. Ding Lik wanted Hui Mun Keung to stay in Shanghai so that they could rule the city as brothers, but Hui explained his belief that it wouldn't work.

    Hui told Ding that although he trusted Ding, he (Hui) didn't trust himself. Hui said that if he remained in Shanghai, sooner or later, the brothers would break ranks and vie against each other for power. At first, Ding denied that they would ever turn against each other, but as the discussion went on, Ding began to realize that it was a possibility. That was when Hui surprised Ding by announcing his intention to leave Shanghai - the only way, Hui argued, that their friendship could remain intact. Ding offered to leave instead of Hui, but Hui quickly dismissed that offer. Moments later, Hui was dead...felled by Dik Wan Tze's assassins.

    Hui Mun Keung shared his thoughts with Ding Lik partially as a convenient exit line so that he could go seek out Ching Ching, but his observations were also reasonable and believable: had Hui stayed in Shanghai and not been killed, it's very possible that he and Ding Lik could have ended up vying for control of the city.

    Ding Lik would lose that struggle. As tough and smart and resourceful as Ding Lik was, he's second best when Hui Mun Keung is in the conversation.

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    You look at this...

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    ...and compare it to TVB's present promotional posters and you wonder, "Can TVB even *do* serious drama anymore?"

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    Last year, *Japan* (of all countries) put together and issued a deluxe BUND DVD collector's set:

    (Japanese edition) BUND DELUXE DVD COLLECTOR'S SET

    For the love of...if *Japan* (whose people were portrayed as the bad guys in THE BUND) can give this classic series the royal deluxe treatment, why can't TVB?!

    It's infuriating!

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    I am watching this for the first time. Just finished episode 2. They smoke a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dictionary View Post
    I am watching this for the first time. Just finished episode 2. They smoke a lot.
    Which was honestly quite normal in those days. Up until the 1960s, people smoked heavily in most Westernized places (including Shanghai Grand). It wasn't until the 1960s that the health dangers caused by smoking really came to be widely publicized.

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    Did they really smoke or was it fake cigarettes? They looked like walking chimneys!
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    Quote Originally Posted by charbydis View Post
    Did they really smoke or was it fake cigarettes? They looked like walking chimneys!
    Those were most definitely real cigarettes. I think Chow Yun Fat was a smoker in real life in those days. More people smoked even during the 1980s than today. Changes to laws, a changing culture, and the expensive tobacco taxes in many places have greatly reduced the number of smokers over the years.

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    Is this china series ending more realistic?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cKQFzACsg

    1. To be no 1, you best get rid of your best buddy.
    2. Give more reason for ching ching to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkeej View Post
    Is this china series ending more realistic?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cKQFzACsg

    1. To be no 1, you best get rid of your best buddy.
    2. Give more reason for ching ching to leave.
    I don't know if it's any *more* realistic; the ending of the original 1980 series was as realistic as it gets: gangster lord dies in (seemingly) random gun violence.

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    The Symbolism of Cars in THE BUND:

    I believe that automobiles serve as symbolic as well as literal vehicles in THE BUND, conveying underlying themes concerning Hui Mun Keung's relationships with Fung Ching Ching and Ding Lik during the course of the series.

    1). Fung Ching Ching

    When they first met, it was in Fung Ging Yiu's car, which Hui Mun Keung was driving (with Ching Ching as a passenger) when they were attempting to drop off the hostage-taker/gunman from Episode 3 in the wilderness. This is where Hui Mun Keung and Fung Ching Ching's relationship really started: in that automobile. In later episodes, some of the most poignant and intimate moments between them also took place in an automobile.

    During a brief misunderstanding between HMK and FCC in the middle of the series, she saw him helping Kyoko Yamaguchi (the Japanese spy) into his car on the street.

    Their final encounter was also in a car, mirroring how they first met. HMK drove FCC down to the YWCA. It would be the last time they saw each other. Their relationship had come full circle, and the automobile served as the venue for both the beginning and end of it.

    2. Ding Lik:

    The last time Hui Mun Keung and Ding Lik were together on friendly terms before the shadow of Hui's betrayal of Fung Ging Yiu would set them at odds was in Hui Mun Keung's car, when he drove with Ah Lik to the warehouse in the fog to discover the truth about Fung Ging Yiu's gun shipment (which was to be used against the martial artists in the Ching Woo School).

    After their period of conflict, Hui Mun Keung and Ding Lik reconciled and agreed to renew their partnership and fight together against Fung Ging Yiu inside Hui's car. As was the case with Ching Ching, Hui's relationship with Ding Lik came full circle inside a car.

    When Hui Mun Keung was assassinated a the end of the series, the gunmen were inside...you guessed it, a car.

    Cars seem to serve as symbols of change and transition in the series.

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    Interesting observations Ken. I can always count on you to have some good tidbits from this series. When you compare this series to any random TVB drama now, you can see how far TVB has fallen. Hopefully HKTV can bring some credibility back to Hong Kong dramas. It's been a joke for a while now. I'd love to see HKTV do more shows like the Bund with good amount of violence plus grittiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jecartas View Post
    Just watched the last ep of Bund 1. Wondering when will happen if Hui did not die.
    Go find Ching Ching.

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