Random thought of the day.
Is MRB/MRF used shifting stars and did not KO the opponent by the 1st or 2nd stance of it.
Wouldn't the opponent catch on and know: 'haha! He is going to redirect my Turtle Baths in River stroke to me when I do this', and instantly be able to counter it?
In fact, when fighting a Murong, if you know that your own stroke can be re-directed at you, that kinda gives you forewarning how to counter-counter it no?
I mean, it wasn't just redirecting force, it was using the same stroke to the extent that someone can see your dead body and tell that you were killed by Turtle Baths in River etc etc.