YG, DY, ZWJ.
Yuan Chengzhi
Guo Jing
Chen Jialuo
Hu Fei
Xuzhu
Wei Xiaobao
Zhang Wuji
Yang Guo
Duan Yu
ANOTHER PROTAGONIST
YG, DY, ZWJ.
There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.
Wise Fool
i vote Chen Jia Luo.
1.Because he is a lousy and petty courter (sulks after he misunderstands Huo Qing Tong) and causes her much pain thereafter
2. Because he gave up his love for the country (Goodbye princess fragrance)
3. Because he was an ineffective leader (Red Flower Sect was persecuted due to his hesitation to act against Qianlong)
In summary, what did he accomplish throughout the book besides being a failure.
I would not respect the opposite of that. What's respectable about dashing the hopes of millions of people for freedom and security just to indulge a romance?Originally Posted by babyblues
true. but i'm speaking from a woman's point of view. It helped of course that Princess Fragrance was willing to go with the plan for the good of the country.
Guess women are selfish thentrue. but i'm speaking from a woman's point of view. It helped of course that Princess Fragrance was willing to go with the plan for the good of the country.
That, my dear, is one reason why some of us are still unreconstructed male chauvinists.Originally Posted by babyblues
I wonder if self-promclaimed male chauvinists like Ken will respect a woman more if she gives up her man for her country or asks her man to seduce the opposing country's princess/Empress/concubines to gain upper hand for her own country.
Just a thought. Not trying to be argumentative here. I really want to know whether u guys hold the same standards for female and male.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
Sure, why not? It should cut both ways, and people of both sexes should be willing to make personal sacrifices if the needs of society are at stake.Originally Posted by kidd
That's a bit underhanded regardless of who's doing the seducing, but if the result is saving untold scores of lives or preserving a people's right to be free...perhaps it's worth it. It's not ideal or tasteful, but it might be necessary.Originally Posted by kidd
just a thought, if it is the guy that goes off to seduce the woman, it probably won't have the same impact, because the power of the princess/empress/concubine would be a lot more limitedOriginally Posted by kidd
Good gains nevertheless.Originally Posted by 0-0-0
sounds plausible
Not unless its Empress Cixi.Originally Posted by 0-0-0
..ext88
If a person sacrifices him/herself, it's greatly appreciated. Cos it meant doing something which he/she did not want/benefit.
However, when a person declines to do so, should he/she be treated as selfish?
Is there not a middle ground? If not, then I'd hate for anyone to come and ask me for a favour cos I don't seem to be in a position to refuse.
how about in the case of Lee Xun Huan? He "sacrificed" his love to his good friend. It can be argued that she in marrying his good friend would have saved the friendship between the 2 friends who could have gone on and worked together for the greater good of the pugilistic world (ok, so it didn't work out as ideally). But if she had refused and insisted on being with Lee Xun Huan, is she selfish?
i mean it's like in the show, she kept on serparating xln and yg. she has a good husband now and dun care about others' sufferings. compared to gj, she really lose in miles in terms of personality. gj is impartial and wouldn't side with his children unlike hr.Originally Posted by Da Bao
盈盈道:“岳先生被逼吞食此药物之后,自是日夜不安,急欲解毒。一日不解,一日难以安心。他知道只有从你身 上打算,才能得到解药。”
令狐冲道:“这个自然。我是你的心肝宝贝,也只有用我,才能向你换到解药。”
我乃逍遥人,自然逍遥去。 - Fearless
The middle ground is for ordinary people like you and me. Heroes, however, are held to a higher standard. Their ability to meet that standard, unattainable by most people, is what makes them heroes.Originally Posted by babyblues
You're forgetting that Wong Yung did that for Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl's own good, not for self-serving reasons.Originally Posted by Fearless
i feel very sorry for any potential children you may have...Originally Posted by Fearless
besides, you're basing too much on HR's personality in ROCH. She's very different in ROCH and definitely nowhere near as likable in LOCH. You also need to learn to read the novel, if all you're basing your opinion on is ROCH 06... you probably hate Cheng Ying too, if that's what you based everything around
You've seen the show.. So GJ didn't try to separate the pair? He didn't almost killed YG if not for the fact that he looked so alike as his father?Originally Posted by Fearless
If HR doesn't care about YG at all, she would have let him ruin his reputation in Jiang Hu, having his master as his wife. She just thought it was inappropriate for the pair to continue liking each other, as it might destroy YG's future. I wouldn't say this is right of her, but you cannot say her personality is lousy based on this!
I agree with 0-0-0 the third time(Amazing ) that I worry for you having children in the future. HR has poor personality just because she loved her children so much, and just wanted to protect them from harm? You don't understand how she really felt. If she said "GF did nothing wrong, it's all YG's fault!" then she's being impartial and detestable.. She would punish GF in future, but cutting her daughter's arm to her is just the same as cutting her flesh.. She just don't have GJ's way of placing righteousness far above personal affairs..
But before you claim that she is not righteous as she cared more for her daughter.. Remember she sacrificed her life fighting for XiangYang...
so many ppl hate yg...so sad
lollipops&raindrops (:
'love me for me' ;D
'you make me smile'
'i love you, you idiot' o.0
FEEL THE LOVE <3
He still fares better than Zhang Wu Ji.Originally Posted by dragonite3579
Last edited by kidd; 07-03-06 at 02:52 PM.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
by 1..any diff?Originally Posted by kidd
lollipops&raindrops (:
'love me for me' ;D
'you make me smile'
'i love you, you idiot' o.0
FEEL THE LOVE <3