Which skill is stronger, QQDNY or Dou Zhuan Xin Yi???

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

what's the main difference between those two skills??? QQDNY from ZWJ and Dou Zhuan Xin Yi from muroung fu........both of them are able to reflect and move attacks / forces.............

and overall.......which skill is stronger???

[batmankiller]

ok i have no clue what that skill is but i do enough to tell you about QQDNY, the skill QQDNY is not like a technique to reflect moves.. it just teaches you how to master your internal energy so it can use the energy to control and manuever other techniques... similiar to 9yang.. the reflect shield.. that shield cannot be used if the attacker has a higher internal energy than the victim. With QQDNY, it's the same thing, except QQDNY helps you concentrate and combine your internal energy to one source.. and also increases it to a certain level therefore you can reflect/deflect other martial arts. The thing with QQDNY is even if your internal energy is lower.. it can still deflect the move.. just not reflect it back to your opponent.. However QQDNY.. like 9 yang, helps increase your internal energy quite high.. so more than likely your internal energy would be higher than the opponent.

[Loke-Gao-Zhu]

so is QQDNY and Dou Zhuan Xing Yi the same???

[kyss of the sword]

QKDNY is based on persian western ideals, it's based on changing the two energys yin and yang in the body. Dou Zhuan Xing Yi is based on the movements of the north star and big dipper. QKDNY is based heavily on inner ppower and can only redirect inner power not exceeding the user on level. QKDNY may be able to redirect more powerful forces.

[Pacifian]

The Star Shifting technique relies heavily on reaction forces. The stronger damage the opponent dealt, the equal power the reflected damage will be. It is like somebody aiming a dagger at you and it will somehow bounce off your body and strike himself instead. At higher levels, it can be used on internal energy attacks.

The body projects a force equivalent to the opponents' forces, and miraculously prevents all damage done to you back to the user himself. It could also serve as a medium to transfer opponents' powers to another direction, the condition is that there must be a scapegoat in that direction, not just air. This is useful if you cannot reflect damage right on the user himself as his internal energy might have prevented the reaction forces from reaching him.

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The Heaven-Earth Reversal is a complicated skill of using energy. It unleashes the full potential of one's energy, allowing one to have full access of his own internal energy. With it, one can manipulate his energies just by thinking of it, he becomes one with his internal energy.

Like the Star-shifting technique, it allows for energy transferring throughout one's body like a medium, it could also store opponents' energies temporarily and return it to the foe, the power manifold as it is the accumulation of several forces.

[Snafu3721]

There is one fundamental difference between the two arts that set them apart. Regardless of the ability to reflect/re-direct the opponent's energies, QKDNY has the ability to allow its user to "learn" an opponent's Martial Arts. Not to mention QKDNY can absorb palm strikes and combine them into a stronger counterstrike. I don't know if the Star shifting technique can do that.

[batmankiller]

The Heaven-Earth Reversal is a complicated skill of using energy. It unleashes the full potential of one's energy, allowing one to have full access of his own internal energy. With it, one can manipulate his energies just by thinking of it, he becomes one with his internal energy.

Like the Star-shifting technique, it allows for energy transferring throughout one's body like a medium, it could also store opponents' energies temporarily and return it to the foe, the power manifold as it is the accumulation of several forces.

this is all part of dou zhuan xin yi? Or is one an english name of QQDLY

[PJ]

The inventor of Shifting North Stars, Mr. Murong Longcheng, is hailed as matchless under heaven during the Five Kingdoms/Early Song period before DGSD. This is possibly the period when legendary super powerhouses like the Inventor of 6MSJ, The Founder of Xiaoyao Pai, and the monk who learned 23 of the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin roamed. And yet, one man claimed the reputation of bearing unmatched superiority over them all -- Murong Longcheng, inventor of Shifting North Star technique. Based on this information, it is hard to imagine Murong Longcheng not being one of the greatest heroes in the history of martial arts (say, top 5 of all time), and Shifting North Stars not being a match for Qiankun Danuoyi.

[Ken Cheng]

The inventor of Shifting North Stars, Mr. Murong Longcheng, is hailed as matchless under heaven during the Five Kingdoms/Early Song period before DGSD. This is possibly the period when legendary super powerhouses like the Inventor of 6MSJ, The Founder of Xiaoyao Pai, and the monk who learned 23 of the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin roamed. And yet, one man claimed the reputation of bearing unmatched superiority over them all -- Murong Longcheng, inventor of Shifting North Star technique.

Was there actually a fight among these parties that could verify this claim?

[PJ]

Was there actually a fight among these parties that could verify this claim?

Jin Yong wrote that Murong Longcheng was matchless under heaven during his era. I personally theorized that the era in which he lived may be when the Inventor of 6MSJ, Founder of Xiaoyao Pai, etc, lived. I'm not aware of much concrete evidence to prove that those guys really lived in the same era, but it is possible by educated hypothesis.

[Ken Cheng]

Jin Yong wrote that Murong Longcheng was matchless under heaven.

He writes that about quite a few characters. He's not as infamously cavalier about throwing these "absolute" descriptions around like Gu Long was, but I always take these claims with a few grains of salt.

[PJ]

He writes that about quite a few characters. He's not as infamously cavalier about throwing these "absolute" descriptions around like Gu Long was, but I always take these claims with a few grains of salt.

As far as I can remember at this time, only Dugu Qiubai and Murong Longcheng have been described as matchless under heaven (Tin Ha Mo Dik ?). There might be one of two others but I don't think more than 3, 4 characters have ever received this honor by Jin Yong.

[Ken Cheng]

As far as I can remember at this time, only Dugu Qiubai and Murong Longcheng have been described as matchless under heaven (Tin Ha Mo Dik ?). There might be one of two others but I don't think more than 3, 4 characters have ever received this honor by Jin Yong.

What about...you know who (your idol)?

[PJ]

What about...you know who (your idol)?

But SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan was not described to be "matchless under heaven." He was described to have reached the peak of perfection in swordplay, but it didn't say he was undefeatable. Those kinds of descriptions are generally true: It is true that SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan has reached the peak of perfection in swordplay in DGSD's time, but one should keep in mind that the sword art is not very prominent during DGSD's time.

Likewise, if Jin Yong wrote that Murong Longcheng was "matchless under heaven" during his era, then it means that anyone else who lived in his era was not a match for him. So, IF the Inventor of 6MSJ and the Founder of Xiaoyao Pai did live during Murong Longcheng's era (which is a theory), then that means they were not a match for Murong Longcheng.

[Snafu3721]

The inventor of Shifting North Stars, Mr. Murong Longcheng, is hailed as matchless under heaven during the Five Kingdoms/Early Song period before DGSD. This is possibly the period when legendary super powerhouses like the Inventor of 6MSJ, The Founder of Xiaoyao Pai, and the monk who learned 23 of the 72 Supreme Arts of Shaolin roamed. And yet, one man claimed the reputation of bearing unmatched superiority over them all -- Murong Longcheng, inventor of Shifting North Star technique. Based on this information, it is hard to imagine Murong Longcheng not being one of the greatest heroes in the history of martial arts (say, top 5 of all time), and Shifting North Stars not being a match for Qiankun Danuoyi.

This may be a reflection of Muroug Longchen's own ability as a Martial Artist, rather than a reflection of his skill (Star Shift). For example, many compare XF and GJ-- and many would say that XF's XL18P was more "li hai." But in essence, it's the same technique.

So perhaps Murong longchen was just more "li hai" in his ability to use Star Shifting technique, and thus making it appear to be very powerful. But that doesn't make the technique itself a better one than QKDNY.

[PJ]

This may be a reflection of Muroug Longchen's own ability as a Martial Artist, rather than a reflection of his skill (Star Shift).... So perhaps Murong longchen was just more "li hai" in his ability to use Star Shifting technique, and thus making it appear to be very powerful. But that doesn't make the technique itself a better one than QKDNY.

The way that Jin Yong worded Murong Longcheng's matchlessness description implies that Murong Longcheng's matchlessness and prominent status under heaven was mainly propelled by his Shifting North Star technique. 到了五代末年，慕容氏中出了一位武学奇才慕容龙城，创出“斗转星移”的高妙武功，当世无敌，名 扬天下。 At least that is my impression from reading that passage.

[Whsie]

I agree with the others. The main reason why MRLC was able to dominate at such a high scale was because he as a martial artist was more talented, not that his Star Shift Stance was actually superior because based on the benefits and gains, QKDLY clearly outweighs the Star Shift Stance.

[Pacifian]

this is all part of dou zhuan xin yi? Or is one an english name of QQDLY

QKDNY - Heaven-Earth Reversal
Dou Zhuan Xin Yi - Shifting Star technique.

[kyss of the sword]

remember, star shifting skill was created by an matchless expert who should at least be as good as an XYP oldie. while QKDNY's creator only achieved till the sixth level and could only theorise how to master the seventh level, there were several mistakes in the seventh level of QKDNY which if ZWJ did not decided to ignore would have died. star shifting skill should not have the same errors so it should be more techniqcally sound. comparing QKDNY with star shifting skill without any other inner power technique to enhance, star shifting skill should be slightly better at the top level. however, QKDNY has the basic of all the world's skills so it's foundation is unmatched.

[PJ]

I agree with the others. The main reason why MRLC was able to dominate at such a high scale was because he as a martial artist was more talented, not that his Star Shift Stance was actually superior because based on the benefits and gains, QKDLY clearly outweighs the Star Shift Stance.

But Qiankun Danuoyi is an unorthodox art which is extremely dangerous to learn, while Shifting North Star is probably much safer. That should be taken into consideration also.