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Do you read my posts and relate it to what you were posting?
Blindly - Your definition of blindly, where do you draw the line, where's the line between blind faith vs. non-blind faith. Has nothing to do with moral issues written by the bible. Three pigs and the big bad wolf also has an excellent moral story, don't make it more or less true.
Yeah great you choose to isolate one line and ignore the context it was in.
Next paragraph you changed one about anecdotal evidence, personal experiences of reality into one where Christians = schizophrenics.
How convenient. What does the bible say about lying. You missed my post apparently, not too late to reply to that one.
Nobody is forcing you to reply. I don't have to worry about the sin of all sins tripping me up. You made a call and entered a debate. I questioned you call, you spent the next few threads dancing around the issue and bring other things into the debate.
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It's based on faith. It's very simple. I don't know why you guys are making it so complicated. You either have faith in it or you don't. Plus what does science have to do with religious tradition? They're like two separate things. One can have both a religious and scientific viewpoint of the world. I know lot of Christians who are scientists and engineers.
Yes, they choose to forgo final liberation (Nirvana) in order to help liberate others.
Tibetans believe that their Dalai Lama is the incarnation of the Bodhisattva of Compassion.
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Guys, how about we get back to reincarnation?
Last edited by Guo Xiang; 06-25-09 at 10:21 PM.
It might me too late to provide these since Sourplum has already given his/her speech (how does it go?), but, still a good info.
Past life memories record
http://healing.about.com/od/pastlife..._Past_Life.htm
http://www.open-sesame.com/memorybank.html
Spirit Attachment and Health
http://www.spiritrelease.com/review_spiritrelease.htm
The second one is particular interesting because I didn't know that medical personals in the west also believe in spirit attachment. I thought only religious organisation do 'spirit release'.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
I'm back and randomly picked those I can afford to revert in shortest time. But I'm not expecting any, uh, understanding
WTH is this "anecdotal evidence" you're talking about? With Christians = schizophrenics, I'm asking a question. Now you're having me thinking if you have been comprehening/approaching my question correctly.
What do you mean with that? Lying on what? If it's your failure in interpretation, it's not my problem.How convenient. What does the bible say about lying. You missed my post apparently, not too late to reply to that one.
Why don't you list them down in simple lines, your questions on the faith (aka Christianity) exactly, clear-cut, and simple without your ozzie style of english? I'll see if I can address them.
No, I'm going back to reply so as to give you a better picture since your picture of the religion is hopelessly broken like jigsaw. My apologies if I had a part in confusing you in the process. (or my missed punctuation, plus not reading back probably made you misinterpretated me because I was looking out for my boss. )
Don't worry about sins. I'm sure you'll be forgiven for you're still tender and naive.
I'm not sure what designs Yittz wants though. FOr me, I understand faith isn't arts. O-OOriginally Posted by Ghaleon
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What can I say? I'm still standing! No weapon against me shall prosper! I am more than a conqueror!!!
I don't care to sit by the window on an airplane. If I can't control it, why look?
Yeah, the Bible was written by the prophets and there may be a lot of truths in it. But, I don't think it has the whole truth because during some time in history, a small group of people where given the task to compile the Bible and a lot of text didn't get to make the final cut.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
This is an organisation that test reincarnation is a scientific way.
http://www.reincarnationexperiment.org/
Scientific Evidence for Death as the Beginning of a New Stage of Life (A scientist studying life after death)
http://blogcritics.org/culture/artic...-evidence-for/
I disagree. The purpose of science to search for truth through logic, theory and experiment. If there's only one truth and religion claim to know it, don't see why religion and science should be seperate. The perfect scenerio is when religion and science can agree with each other, and there are scientists out there who are trying to achieve this, like that Dr. Gerald Schroeder in the above article.
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什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
Some people use that to explain physical and romantic love. That Adam wants his ribs back
Yeah, that's one sticky area regarding the Bible. The fact that people in the past debated and argued which books should be canon and which should be not. Were the decisions regarding canonization divinely inspired?
Lot of Christians tackle this issue by looking at the dates of the books in the Bible. The earliest known Christian writings were Paul's letters found in the Bible. The second earliest known Christian writings were the 4 Gospels found in the Bible. So Christians put faith in the Bible because Paul's letters and the Gospels were the earliest Christian manuscripts. They believe that the other Christian writings (not found in the Bible) are not authentic because they date centuries after the death of Christ (such as the Gnostic Gospels).
There's a reason why religion is separate from science. Science deals with the physical world while religion deals with spiritual matters. They may overlap, yes. But they also parts that do not overlap.
The idea that Jesus Christ died for the sins of humanity is not a scientific idea but a spiritual/religious one. Make sense?
That's taking the easy way out. Religion and science are seperate. So, lets not talk about it, lets not question it.
No, it doesn't. If it's the truth, one will be able to prove it sooner or later. Maybe not now, but, later (if it's the truth).
It's like the case of 'wave–particle duality' in quantum physics. Both theories yield positive results in experiments and many present technologies benefited from these theories. But phycists are still trying to find a theory that can explain both phenomena (anyone can update me whether they have found it or not?).
Yes, it works well to seperate religion and science for now since human couldn't find a common ground yet, but, the best scenerio is still when religion/spirituality can agree with science and vice versa.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
I think I see what you mean in here.
It made sense to me when I take it this way: It's like our parents who died for us, simply because they love us. Would you not do them the wish, that is, to obey what was ask of them?The idea that Jesus Christ died for the sins of humanity is not a scientific idea but a spiritual/religious one. Make sense?
Before I became a believer, I told myself that, to find out more answers to my questions I can only do it during my walk in this religion because I know there are answer that I won't know until I go through it and understand them through my experiences.
In the bible, it is also mentioned that we should stick to livestock for food. Anything beyond that, like civet cats.....diseaster strikes!
What can I say? I'm still standing! No weapon against me shall prosper! I am more than a conqueror!!!
I don't care to sit by the window on an airplane. If I can't control it, why look?
That's not the point of Ghaleon, I think. He was explaining the difference between spiritual and science to me and why it should be seperated. He used 'Jesus died for our sins' as an example of spiritual idea, not whether the idea that 'Jesus died for our sins' made sense or not.
什麼是朋友?朋友永遠是在你犯下不可原諒錯誤的時候,仍舊站在你那邊的笨蛋。~ 王亞瑟
和諧唔係一百個人講同一番話,係一百個人有一百句唔同嘅說話,而又互相尊重 ~ - 葉梓恩
Did the bible specify what animals are livestock?In the bible, it is also mentioned that we should stick to livestock for food.