Most widely -revered- Jin Yong emperor: Kangxi, Genghis Khan, or Duan Zhengming?

[PJ]

The kings whom we've seen in action: which is your favorite?

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murong fu, the emperor of neverland, the real father of dugujiujian

[Trien Chieu]

QianLong.
He had much better life than any other emperor in chinese history.

[HuntingX]

Kangxi is regarded as one of the best emperors (top 4) in China's long history.

Qianlong is probably bottom 4.

Another TC moment.

[Trien Chieu]

Kangxi is regarded as one of the best emperors (top 4) in China's long history.

Qianlong is probably bottom 4.

Another TC moment.

QianLong is bottom 4???
Without QianLong, Xinjiang, Tibet, ect... wouldn't be part of China. QianLong expanded china more than any other Qing's emperor.

[flamer]

Qianlong is probably bottom 4.

Why is Qianlong bottom 4?

[Ren Wo Xing]

Although Kangxi is definitely top 4, Qianlong is in no way one of the bottom four emperors...

[Xiang Yu]

Although Kangxi is definitely top 4, Qianlong is in no way one of the bottom four emperors...

True he wasn't bottom 4, most of the Ming emperors were terrible beyond belief.

He's definitely not that great to be compared to the three choices in the poll though, even though Qian Long conquered/annexed quite some territory, it's widely accepted that corruption within his government skyrocketed compared to his ancerstors reigns.

Also, the treasury pretty much depleted during his reign, it was so bad, that the emperors after him pretty much had to rule with alot limb less as a figure of speech.

From the three choices, I'd defintely choose Kang Xi, Genghis being too aggressive, conquerer before ruler while the whole Duan family seems to be more like hippies.

[kidd]

Btw, when voting, should we take into account what happen outside the novels/series? Many people seem to be doing so.

[odbayarb2000]

Definitely Genghis Khan (Chinggis Khaan), a man started his life with nothing but ended having half of the known world.

[Dennis Chen]

QianLong is bottom 4???
Without QianLong, Xinjiang, Tibet, ect... wouldn't be part of China. QianLong expanded china more than any other Qing's emperor.

Yes, but modern historians also recognize that it was Qianlong who closed off China from the rest of the world that helped to lead to it's long decline. Qianlong was a good emperor, but the legacy he left is questionable.

[Ken Cheng]

Yes, but modern historians also recognize that it was Qianlong who closed off China from the rest of the world that helped to lead to it's long decline. Qianlong was a good emperor, but the legacy he left is questionable.

I thought that the closure of China to the world started with the Ming emperors. After the Mongol occupation of China during the Yuan Dynasty, the Ming rulers were extremely wary of all foreign influences, leading China to become isolationist during the Ming Dynasty.

In contrast, the Qing Dynasty was *relatively* open to foreign contact, although maybe not specifically during the reign of Chien Lung.

[HuntingX]

Qian Long was the last chance for China to compete directly with the west.

It is DIRECTLY due to his incompetence that China had to endure CENTURIES of humiliation. He's as bad as James Buchanan.

From wiki:

"Although his early years saw the continuity of an era of prosperity in China, he was of unrelentingly conservative and sinocentric attitude. As a result, the Qing Dynasty's comparative decline began later in his reign."

Read it through.

The man is incompetent.

[pannonian]

The most widely revered, if we're talking about geographical span, has to be Genghis Khan. There's a favourable reference to him in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.

[Ken Cheng]

The most widely revered, if we're talking about geographical span, has to be Genghis Khan.

It's ironic, considering that Temujin unleashed a mass slaughter that, by sheer numbers, has been matched or surpassed only by the worst modern despots.

[Dennis Chen]

I think Qianlong's greatest mistake was his unwillingness to open up trade with the West. Which brought about opium. Which brought about the European Powers, Japan and Russia using every reason they could find to attack China and open it's ports; the handover of Macau to the Portuguese, Hong Kong to Great Britain. The USA's Open Door Policy.

It was all about trade. Qianlong wouldn't allow it; his arrogance got in the way, he felt that the world had nothing to offer The Middle Kingdom.

[kidd]

About Qian Long not opening trade/port. I wonder if other great Chinese emperors in his place will open trade. If his father Yong Zheng did not die so early and ruled longer, will he open trade with the West?

[HuntingX]

It's an irrelevant question.

HE had the responsibility and decision to make. HE made the WRONG decision. HE is held responsible for the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of deaths that followed (including those that were caused by the civil wars, etc.).

ALL of that is on QianLong's head.

[Ren Wo Xing]

It's an irrelevant question.

HE had the responsibility and decision to make. HE made the WRONG decision. HE is held responsible for the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of deaths that followed (including those that were caused by the civil wars, etc.).

ALL of that is on QianLong's head.

Nonsense. By that sort of argument, all of that is really on KANGXI's head, because he's the one who chose to transfer the kingship to Yongzhen (with the intention of Qianlong eventually inheriting it). KANGXI had the responsibility and decision to make regarding his heir. KANGXI made the WRONG decision. KANGXI is held responsible for the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of deaths that followed.

[CC]

Nonsense. By that sort of argument, all of that is really on KANGXI's head, because he's the one who chose to transfer the kingship to Yongzhen (with the intention of Qianlong eventually inheriting it). KANGXI had the responsibility and decision to make regarding his heir. KANGXI made the WRONG decision. KANGXI is held responsible for the HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of deaths that followed.

Well, we can drag up the 4 Great Mysteries of the Qing and argue about the forged will and who Kangxi really wanted to be heir.