Swordfighting Doubles Tournament:

[Ken Cheng]

In tennis, two pairs of great players often face off against each other as teams in doubles tournaments.

Here's a wuxia doubles sword tournament:

Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl from Jin Yong's RETURN OF THE CONDOR HEROES mastered a synergistic combination of Cheun Jen Sword Technique and Ancient Tomb Sword Technique to create a nearly flawless style of swordfighting that enabled the couple to defeat even Greats-level fighters like the Golden Wheel Monk. Many ROCH fighters considered Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl's double swords technique invincible.

Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing from Gu Long's LUK SIU FUNG were considered Sword Gods. Individually, each of them was considered the very pinnacle of what a swordsman could be. Combined, their combat ability is beyond imagination. When Sai Mun Chui Sheut threatened to team up with Yip Goo Sing to force their way out of the Imperial Palace in Beijing, the Royal Guards thought that even the combined force of the palace's 3000 elite guardsmen would not be able to stop them.


So . . . Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing vs. Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl.

NOTE: for the purpose of this discussion, this is Yeung Gor before losing his arm and obtaining Dook Goo Kau Bai's Heavy Iron Sword, and before Little Dragon Girl learned Left/Right Hand Technique and could perform the double sword technique by herself. Also, Little Dragon Girl will not be able to call up her bees, use needles, etc. This is a straight sword fight. Both teams will have to rely on their swordfighting skills, nothing else.


The winning team will take on Dook Goo Kau Bai himself.

[superboy]

I pick Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing since their martial arts are higher. Since it's 2 vs 2, Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing will both have the advantage of superior martial arts over YG and XLN.

[philip]

yep, i say yg and xln would lose too...i mean, 1st of all, gu long chars. are "out of this world" strong and yg and xln are still at a lower level, and second of all, the quanzen + yu nu sword isn't invincible. It's powerful, but still could be broken...or else xln would'be been considered to be invincible when she learned the double hand technique.

[Ken Cheng]

Individually, Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing are indeed better fighters than the young Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl, but the double swords technique that the ROCH couple used was an example of a true synergism: a whole greater than the sum of its parts. If the teenaged Yeung Gor and the twentysomething Little Dragon Girl ganged up on a Greats level fighter (say, the Golden Wheel Monk) but did *not* use the double swords technique, they would certainly be defeated. Using the double swords technique, however, they would be able to at least hold their own against the Great.

Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing's individual swordfighting techniques are already devastating, and combined, they'd likely be *twice* as devastating. Their sword techniques, however, were never meant to be used together, and it is unknown whether their combined sword techniques (while definitely powerful) would result in a synergism.

This one is more difficult to figure out than it would seem.

[ToOn99]

Why all of u thought Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing are better than Yang Guo and Xiao long nu individually ? I believe when Yang Guo and Xiao long nu use their swords, they can compensate their lack of technique with their inner power( surely higher than Yip Goo Sing and Sai Mun Chui Sheut).

[Ken Cheng]

Originally posted by ToOn99
Why all of u thought Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing are better than Yang Guo and Xiao long nu individually ? I believe when Yang Guo and Xiao long nu use their swords, they can compensate their lack of technique with their inner power( surely higher than Yip Goo Sing and Sai Mun Chui Sheut).

Actually, it was superior technique, not superior inner power, that made the young Yeung Gor and Little Dragon Girl so formidable. Inner power wise, they were relatively weak compared to many of the opponents they found themselves up against.

Little was said about Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing's inner power in LUK SIU FUNG (although it was mentioned that Sai Mun Chui Sheut was one of the few people around at the time who could purge poisons with his inner power), but as the two supreme swordsmen of their era, their inner power had to be no worse than decent.

[ToOn99]

I meant if the swordfighting was one on one. Say Yang Guo vs XieMen Chue shuet . Perhaps, While Xiemen Chue shuet is better at sword art, Yang guo can cover his lack of tecnique with his Inner power.
Since gu long's main character mainly are weapon user ( I mean XMCS and YKC) and always rely on their weapon in every situation, I believe their inner power might be pretty decent but still nothing compare to LOCH/ROCH heroes. Anyway, this is just my personal assumption, not really sure though.

[superboy]

But I always thought that the sword combination of YG and XNL are only most effective with one opponent. If one opponent attack the right side, and the other one attack the left side, wouldn't that break their sword?

[philip]

xln and yang guo's sword combination was effective, but it is definely not invincible. Together, they can equal one great, but since Sai Mun Chui Sheut and Yip Goo Sing were gulong's "sword gods" in lu xiao feng, each would probably equal a great. if xln and yg were only battling one of them, they would probably win, but with both, i dbout it.

[CC]

Well we all know how bloody hard it is to prove JY vs JY fighters let alone GL vs JY fighters.

But my gut feeling is that when it comes to swords, either YGC or SMCX _alone_ can defeat YG + XLN.

[Metamorphosis]

Only based on facts Sai Mun Chui Sheut's "One Sword from the West" could demolish buildings though i am a great fan of Yang Guo i would still say the Sai Mun team up will be more effective.

[”~‹á�á]

Originally posted by CC
either YGC or SMCX _alone_ can defeat YG + XLN.

agree..GL fighters are like Dragonball characters.
maybe YGC + XMCX vs Ah Fei + Jing WuMing is a more interesting match...

[Dagger Lee]

I'd say SMCS and YGS since Gu Long's characters are super powerful.

[Han Solo]

I have to go wtih XLN and YG.

Both SMCS and YGS's techniques are only one and that is to kill, if they fail to kill, then they would be more exposed.

And in a formation fighting, it would be harder to kill your opponent with a single lethal stroke, since your opponent will work in a team to defend each other, and will counter-attack once they parried your attack. So decreased attacking prowess of SMCS and YGS.

Plus SMCS and YGS never fought as a team before. They just don;t have the chemistry that XLN and YG have. The instinct of knowing where and when to help. So more gaps to their defence anyway.

Hence in a formation fighting, the individual attacking and defending ability of SMCS and YGS will be decreased as compared to the increased figthing ability of YG and XLN when using Jade Maiden Swordmanship.

[CC]

Originally posted by Han Solo
I have to go wtih XLN and YG.

Both SMCS and YGS's techniques are only one and that is to kill, if they fail to kill, then they would be more exposed.

And in a formation fighting, it would be harder to kill your opponent with a single lethal stroke, since your opponent will work in a team to defend each other, and will counter-attack once they parried your attack. So decreased attacking prowess of SMCS and YGS.

You are forgetting that there are TWO GL fighters too. If YG goes to intercept YGC's strike at XLN, SMCX is going to go for YG's throat.

In any case, my impression of those 2 GL characters are that they are in a higher league then YG and XLN. Its like having 2 DGKB's fight XLN and YG.

[”~‹á�á]

Originally posted by Ken Cheng
When Sai Mun Chui Sheut threatened to team up with Yip Goo Sing to force their way out of the Imperial Palace in Beijing, the Royal Guards thought that even the combined force of the palace's 3000 elite guardsmen would not be able to stop them.

errrmm YCG was dead already at that time... Those who threatened to force their way out were XMCX, LXF, Wooden Priest, Honest Monk, Sikong Zaixin and Pu Ju.

Originally posted by CC
In any case, my impression of those 2 GL characters are that they are in a higher league then YG and XLN. Its like having 2 DGKB's fight XLN and YG.

i think it's like Son Goku & Vegeta vs Ryu & Ken

[Ken Cheng]

Originally posted by ”~‹á�á
errrmm YCG was dead already at that time... Those who threatened to force their way out were XMCX, LXF, Wooden Priest, Honest Monk, Sikong Zaixin and Pu Ju.

After Yip Goo Sing's plot had been foiled, but before the duel began, the palace guards threatened to arrest and execute Yip Goo Sing. Sai Mun Chui Sheut was not going to allow Yip Goo Sing to die before they dueled. Sai Mun Chui Sheut basically threw down a gauntlet to the Imperial Guard: either they let him and Yip Goo Sing settle their duel then and there, or they'd force their way through the Guard to settle their duel.

[”~‹á�á]

Originally posted by Ken Cheng
After Yip Goo Sing's plot had been foiled, but before the duel began, the palace guards threatened to arrest and execute Yip Goo Sing. Sai Mun Chui Sheut was not going to allow Yip Goo Sing to die before they dueled. Sai Mun Chui Sheut basically threw down a gauntlet to the Imperial Guard: either they let him and Yip Goo Sing settle their duel then and there, or they'd force their way through the Guard to settle their duel.

oooic haha sorry, i misunderstand it...

[charbydis]

But the Gu Long guys never fight for long. (GL fights are no more 100 stances, and usually 1-2 stances) How are their energy reserves for a prolonged fight? YG and XLN probably might last longer since they know some of 9 Yin (not sure if it is the part about internal energy preservation).

As partners, probably XLN and YG since their swordplay is made to be harmonious, but with SMCS and YGC, they may be powerful, but won't the sword qi affect the partner closeby as well.

I think an interesting fight would be:

Du Gu Yi He vs. Du Gu Qiu Bai

[Vash|7ds]

i thought the jade maiden technique was a defensive skill, where each compensated for one another's weakness. The fight between GLFW, yg + xln (using Jade Maiden) couldn't defeat him. It only mentioned that the technique was suprior but had no intention of killing their adversary..? So i always thought Jade Maiden was an invincible defensive swordplay.