Sweeper's ribs...

[Xiao Feng]

There is this perception that Sweeper monk did not use any form of protection whatsoever when he let XF whack him in the chest, right after he KO'ed XF's dad.
It is said that if he did, XF would have bounced off right away. Indeed XF would have bounced off if he used his energy shield like he did against MRF.

But, lets just state some facts and then rethink again.

1) Sweeper has awesome energy
2) Sweeper does not have adamantium skeleton
3) Sweeper = old man
4) Sweeper without his energy = random old man on the street.
5) XF hits a high level fighter (using energy to protect himself) on the chest with Dragon palms = injury
6) XF hits high level fighter (not using energy) on the chest with Dragon palms = near death
7) XF hits random old man on the street = instant fatality

Therefore, XF hits Sweeper (not using energy) = near death.

It is impossible for him not to have done anything at all to defend against XF's blow. I'm assuming he did use some of his energy to protect his internal organs and meridians at least to avoid some critical injury.

[rabadi]

There is this perception that...

There is that perception? I didn't know that, 'cause I always think the Sweeper Monk did use internal energy shield on his body.

Darn... all these talks about ribs suddenly make me craving for Tony Roma's Baby Back Ribs

[Xiao Feng]

One of the latests I've seen. I've seen a few others.

@Those who say XF broke Sweep's ribs

Yes we know it's that powerful and all, but remember that Sweep's didn't even attempt to counter the blow at all. Basically XF hit someone who wasn't even trying to resist the blow. If Sweep's had initialized his internal energy, XF would be one dead cookie.

[ChronoReverse]

Ah my quote.

The point is that Sweeps didn't really try hard at all to defend against the attack. If you have a lot of internal energy, unless you're holding it back, it'll provide some measure of protection automatically (with the extreme cases like ZMJ and XZ where the internal activates full force automatically to defend).

[Xiao Feng]

Ah my quote.

The point is that Sweeps didn't really try hard at all to defend against the attack. If you have a lot of internal energy, unless you're holding it back, it'll provide some measure of protection automatically (with the extreme cases like ZMJ and XZ where the internal activates full force automatically to defend).

I understand where you're coming from. I just like to clear things up a little bit that Sweeper did indeed protect himself from the blow. He purposedly let XF whack him (that part is obvious) but I reckon since he is still trying to save the world at that point, he doesn't have a death wish yet. Just letting XF get even in a sense after he killed his dad since XF's shown himself to be a man of honour and compassion. Compare that to MRF who Sweeper doesn't think highly of, Sweeps just bounced him off.

[Vicious]

I understand where you're coming from. I just like to clear things up a little bit that Sweeper did indeed protect himself from the blow. He purposedly let XF whack him (that part is obvious) but I reckon since he is still trying to save the world at that point, he doesn't have a death wish yet. Just letting XF get even in a sense after he killed his dad since XF's shown himself to be a man of honour and compassion. Compare that to MRF who Sweeper doesn't think highly of, Sweeps just bounced him off.

I like to think that SM didn't do anything to protect himself at all. SM is not like any random old man on the street, his internal energy that sits in his body is enough to protect him. It's like a huge sumo taking a punch on the stomach, he's not flexing his muscles to try to protect himself but he's got so much mass one punch wont hurt him.

[Ken Cheng]

The Janitor Monk's ribs were excellent. I really liked how he didn't use too much barbecue sauce, but went for a lighter black bean sauce. Still, I can't help but wonder, as an enlightened Buddhist, should he really be preparing mea . . .

Um...never mind.

[duguxiaojing]

can sum1 post excerpt or chap refrence?

[Ren Wo Xing]

I basically saw it the way Vicious did.

Xu Zhu, in his fights against Jiumozhi, wasn't consciously raising up his Beiming energy to bounce off Jiumozhi's palm strikes; it basically just happened automatically, due to the 'ambient' energy surrounding him at all times.

It's well-documented that in these stories, people can circulate neigong more towards various parts of their bodies, either to help attack or defend; but even when they aren't focusing on one area, the other areas still have a strong flow of neigong going through it at all times.

Sweeper Monk can't just "stop" qi flowing through his body; what he can do is choose not to, as Vicious said, 'flex' it.

[TaiHan]

The Janitor Monk's ribs were excellent. I really liked how he didn't use too much barbecue sauce, but went for a lighter black bean sauce. Still, I can't help but wonder, as an enlightened Buddhist, should he really be preparing mea . . .

Um...never mind.

and XF was the butcher knife?

guess he wanted to do what Buddha did, cut himself up and offer it to the pigeon. I wonder what enlightened meat taste like, like Journey to the West, immortality. Everyone would be after them now

[rabadi]

and XF was the butcher knife?

guess he wanted to do what Buddha did, cut himself up and offer it to the pigeon. I wonder what enlightened meat taste like, like Journey to the West, immortality. Everyone would be after them now

Remember the story OYF told to 1D?

[Xiao Feng]

I basically saw it the way Vicious did.

Xu Zhu, in his fights against Jiumozhi, wasn't consciously raising up his Beiming energy to bounce off Jiumozhi's palm strikes; it basically just happened automatically, due to the 'ambient' energy surrounding him at all times.

It's well-documented that in these stories, people can circulate neigong more towards various parts of their bodies, either to help attack or defend; but even when they aren't focusing on one area, the other areas still have a strong flow of neigong going through it at all times.

Sweeper Monk can't just "stop" qi flowing through his body; what he can do is choose not to, as Vicious said, 'flex' it.

Now this worries me, cos it sort of questions the superiority of Sweeper Monk.

So what you and vicious are saying is that Sweeper basically did what XZ did against JMZ right. Whereby he wasn't consciously raising his energy to block XF's attack. In XZ's case, JMZ couldn't scratch him even after throwing everything he had including the kitchen sink. And JMZ is said to be somewhere around XF's level as a fighter. BUT, XF actually broke some of Sweeper Monk's ribs. So this implies XZ has a much much more impressive amount of energy than Sweeper did.

[Vicious]

Now this worries me, cos it sort of questions the superiority of Sweeper Monk.

So what you and vicious are saying is that Sweeper basically did what XZ did against JMZ right. Whereby he wasn't consciously raising his energy to block XF's attack. In XZ's case, JMZ couldn't scratch him even after throwing everything he had including the kitchen sink. And JMZ is said to be somewhere around XF's level as a fighter. BUT, XF actually broke some of Sweeper Monk's ribs. So this implies XZ has a much much more impressive amount of energy than Sweeper did.

NOW this worries you? you weren't worried before when you thought sweeper was protecting himself consiciously against XF's attack and suffered? wouldn't that make sweeper even less powerful??

sweeper basically did what xz did but not really, xz was fully prepped in a fight, sweeper was asking for a punch. Plus there's the difference between XF and JMZ. And of course if anyone could have more energy than sweeper it would have to be xz anyway.

[TaiHan]

Remember the story OYF told to 1D?

indeed that is where I got it anyways

[Xiao Feng]

NOW this worries you? you weren't worried before when you thought sweeper was protecting himself consiciously against XF's attack and suffered? wouldn't that make sweeper even less powerful??

sweeper basically did what xz did but not really, xz was fully prepped in a fight, sweeper was asking for a punch. Plus there's the difference between XF and JMZ. And of course if anyone could have more energy than sweeper it would have to be xz anyway.

You got me wrong. I believe Sweeper LET XF hurt him, but he didn't want to DIE, so he sort of made sure he wouldn't get seriously hurt in the process of letting XF have a go. This in no way suggests Sweeps is weak.

BUT, if you suggest he did what XZ did which was to let his own ambient energy or auto protect do the job, he falls pale in comparison to XZ.

[Vicious]

You got me wrong. I believe Sweeper LET XF hurt him, but he didn't want to DIE, so he sort of made sure he wouldn't get seriously hurt in the process of letting XF have a go. This in no way suggests Sweeps is weak.

BUT, if you suggest he did what XZ did which was to let his own ambient energy or auto protect do the job, he falls pale in comparison to XZ.

it doesn't suggest sweeps is weak but you are saying that sweep can be hurt even when he's using energy to protect himself. I'm saying he was hurt only because he didn't consciously use energy to protect himself. i believe my version of the event has sweeper as stronger.

I guess my question would be how much XZ would suffer if he let XF punch him like that.

[Xiao Feng]

it doesn't suggest sweeps is weak but you are saying that sweep can be hurt even when he's using energy to protect himself. I'm saying he was hurt only because he didn't consciously use energy to protect himself. i believe my version of the event has sweeper as stronger.

I guess my question would be how much XZ would suffer if he let XF punch him like that.

You're looking at it in a different way compared to me.

Because you assume that because ppl like Sweeps and XZ have such a huge mass of energy in them, it automatically offers them protection from injury. I don't. If you read my first post, I've already done an assumption that Sweeper without using energy = old man. AFAIK, only 2 person have shown auto protect capabilities, ZWJ and XZ, the latter's Bei Ming Zhen Qi having such an ability by default. The rest of the world needed to make a concious effort to use their energy to defend a blow, like Sweeper himself did against MRF. If Sweeper had done the same to XF, XF too would have bounced off like MRF but he didn't do that because he "conciously" wanted to be hurt by XF as a sort of payment for killing his dad and generally being a good lad. But of course he didn't want to be killed so he did make a "concious" effort to protect himself to a degree.

[Ren Wo Xing]

That's not really a fair comparison though. Beiming Shengong has an 'autoprotect' aspect of it, similar to 9 Yang, that Shaolin internal energy does not. Shaolin has many, many stances to avoid damage, such as the Golden Bell, Iron Cloth, Diamond Body, etc. etc., but those are all active, not passive, so to speak. Although Xu Zhu wasn't consciously 'flexing' his internal energy, it did it by itself automatically. Not true for Shaolin energy as a whole. Xu Zhu had the nature of Beiming working for him; Sweeper Monk had nothing but his 'ambient' internal energy. Think of Beiming as being in a state of 'autoflex' at all times; you get struck, energy immediately pushes backwards. It's very different from just 'ambient' energy.

Plus, recall that when Xiao Feng sent out one palm at Xu Zhu, the power of it was such that Xu Zhu (and Duan Yu) both immediately dropped the Emperor, forced to block it; this signifies that the power Xiao Feng packed into those palms of his, especially when PISSED (remember that Xiao Feng has the Dragonballs Z 'rage factor' going for him), is incredible indeed.

Also, Xu Zhu was struck on the shoulder; Sweeper Monk, on the chest.

The situation definitely favored Xu Zhu much more than the comparative situation favored the Monk.

But in any event...it's really debateable if you think whether or not Sweeper Monk actually has more 'internal energy' than Xu Zhu. You can't get much more than 180-200'ish years of TOP NOTCH Beiming energy.

[Xiao Feng]

That's not really a fair comparison though. Beiming Shengong has an 'autoprotect' aspect of it, similar to 9 Yang, that Shaolin internal energy does not. Shaolin has many, many stances to avoid damage, such as the Golden Bell, Iron Cloth, Diamond Body, etc. etc., but those are all active, not passive, so to speak. Although Xu Zhu wasn't consciously 'flexing' his internal energy, it did it by itself automatically. Not true for Shaolin energy as a whole. Xu Zhu had the nature of Beiming working for him; Sweeper Monk had nothing but his 'ambient' internal energy. Think of Beiming as being in a state of 'autoflex' at all times; you get struck, energy immediately pushes backwards. It's very different from just 'ambient' energy.

Plus, recall that when Xiao Feng sent out one palm at Xu Zhu, the power of it was such that Xu Zhu (and Duan Yu) both immediately dropped the Emperor, forced to block it; this signifies that the power Xiao Feng packed into those palms of his, especially when PISSED (remember that Xiao Feng has the Dragonballs Z 'rage factor' going for him), is incredible indeed.

Also, Xu Zhu was struck on the shoulder; Sweeper Monk, on the chest.

The situation definitely favored Xu Zhu much more than the comparative situation favored the Monk.

But in any event...it's really debateable if you think whether or not Sweeper Monk actually has more 'internal energy' than Xu Zhu. You can't get much more than 180-200'ish years of TOP NOTCH Beiming energy.

So you're saying Sweeper did indeed do nothing to defend against XF's blow? He some how knew that his ambient energy would be just enough to deflect enough of the force of XF's blow and only suffer some broken ribs? Thats some serious mind calculations going on there.

I agree with you on the XZ part though.

[letalforever]

maybe he thot xf wouldn't even be able to hurt him :P