I think a lot of people in wuxia are willing to kill innocent people and devise vicious plans. That's hardly worthy of being labeled the Peak of Evil.Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang
I think a lot of people in wuxia are willing to kill innocent people and devise vicious plans. That's hardly worthy of being labeled the Peak of Evil.Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang
忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」
It may make him normal evil, though.
There are definitely 'more evil' people around.
Things like loyalty, selective honor, openness, etc. are redeeming factors but on their own do not offset evil deeds and the willingness to commit them. I could find some real life examples but I'm too lazy and in truth I'm not quite sure how to begin the search :P
That is true but when it came to vicious plots in DGSD his plot in collaboration with MRF was certainly among the top most vicious plans. Killing women to force someone to bow down to your demands is quite contradictory to the fine class you attributed to him, as was his incest plot.Originally Posted by PJ
Basically that is also one of the main reasons i cannot fully accept ZZR's actions. Though she was wronged and had some reason in purusing her revenge against ZWJ, she was prepared to hurt innocent ppl to hurt him. Even XX later realised that even a villain should be clear in their pursuit for revenge and know who is the target and who is innocent. That is what distinguishes those who are villains and those who are from a higher tier of villainy.
TristeCoeur on Lady Yang: Someone needs 2 tell her that when u want 2 save people from being killed, u need to hurry the hell up, not play bull#### music & dance around. Her mission failed big time
This happens to be from a while ago but I just wanted to reply to something:
The "kidnap women" thing wasn't Duan Yanqing's idea. I think It was either devised by Murong Fu or Madam Wang. Duan Yanqing just happened to be present when they killed the women.
About Duan Yanqing's incest plan, I consider it to be an instance of resorting to trickery to win. But this is done casually by our heroes. When Yang Guo set the Mongolian base camp on fire near the end of ROCH, did any reader think "gee, what a loser, if he's a true warrior he would challenge the leader to a 1:1 duel instead of ambushing them."
忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」
I can't think of any redeeming qualities for Quan Guan Qing. Does he have any?
Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!
Ah, please add EXECUTION ELDER Bai Shijing to the list. The guy was loyal to the bones. He's the only one that Madam Ma slept with who REFUSED to betray Xiao Feng. I find his loyalty to be highly admirable.
忽见柳荫下两个小孩子在哀哀痛哭,瞧模样正是武敦儒、武修文兄弟。郭芙大声叫道:「喂,你们在干甚麽?」武 修文回头见是郭芙,哭道:「我们在哭,你不见麽?」
GWM constantly schemes to get other martial artists killed because he's afraid they might get good enough to take him in the future. Giving tips to Gongsun during his duel with Yang Guo, tricking Nimoxing into stepping on the needles that cause him to lose his legs, etc. What's more, he seems to think he's being devilishly cunning when he does it, even though it always backfires on him (either alienating or hindering his allies). Really that guy is just the hugest tool ever.
Lin Ping Zhi, what a filial son, much more so that Yang Kang. So filial that he sacrificed everything to avenge his parents' suffering. He had the moral character to be a true honorable disciple of the orthodox school if he was picked up by Mo Da in the beginning of the novel instead, I still remember that part, what a shame...
Lin also had courage and was willing to take personal risk to help others when there was nothing to gain in return, like the time how he stood up to Yu Cang Hai's son, and also when he called out Yu Cang Hai to help Linghu Chong.
It's sad that he ended up locked up in that damp dungeon in the end. I doubt that Yue Lingshan would have approved of that, Linghu Chong should have at least remembered Lin's past aid and placed him under house arrest or something, like confining him in a way similar to Zhang SanFeng's 3rd disciple's forced confinement when the latter was crippled.
Last edited by Wellesley; 11-27-07 at 03:35 PM.
Interestingly, no mention of Mu Rong Fu.
Perhaps, if there is no need to restore Yan Kingdom, he will not need to.cooperate with Duan Yan Ping or cheat Xixia Princess.
I think many readers here are lenient to TBG because they never saw a rape on the adaptations and even in the novel, his numerous victims were unnamed and unknown.
If he was portrayed as having raped Ying Ying and Lingshan and Mrs. Yue and Yilin would any of you be so kind to him? Those numerous unnamed victims were no more undeserving than the above mentioned four.
Its BIxie Jianfa Gawdammit you guys!!!!
I wonder whether YBQ would be so evil if ZLC did not go after him. Would he be happy as a respected leader of Huashan?